So no health codes.
I know someone who practices obia (Jamaican voodoo) that will agree with you.
Health codes would exist without government … it’s called professional standards and do not require government enforcement
I understand his perspective, I think it’s a “crazy” (not Nick = clinical) perspective. I think it’s not based in reality and not feasible for a world order.
I don’t think you understood the gif (hopefully that’s what this is). It’s from the movie V for Vendetta, in which the protagonist goes on a very eccentric rant, to which she asks if he’s a crazy person. We find out later that he’s not crazy, but merely a very radical thinker (and if we’re being honest, a little crazy).
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I was going to applaud this, by the way. One of my favorite movies.
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You’re right. I’ve never seen the movie and missed the reference.
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It’s a good movie.
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You never went to a Chinese restaurant in the ghetto.
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Outstanding. I bet there are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, atheists, and agnostics who also agree.
I’ll bet he’s never been in one that wasn’t subject to health codes and inspections.
And it doesn’t mean they are right.
Many people who have worked in restaurants will know what kind of disgusting things go on, and this is with government imposed codes, so imagine what would happen without them.
Seems like if the market was capable of taking care of these occurrences without oversight, they wouldn’t exist for the health department to find.
And if people didn’t commit murder we wouldn’t need a law against it.
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My understanding of the ruling is this:
If you have something in a display case out for everyone to see, you can’t refuse to sell it to someone.
If someone asks you to create something customized for them, you don’t have to if you don’t want to.
So when this gay couple asked the baker to make them a cake for their wedding, he refused. He doesn’t have to go out of his way to make a custom wedding cake for them (I’m assuming that’s what they were asking for) because he doesn’t agree with what they’re doing. But if the couple had asked for a generic “Happy Birthday!” cake that was in the display case, he would have to sell it to them because it’s being displayed.
The more I talk about this, the less sure I am about what I’m talking about, because that doesn’t seem to make any sense. But I’m also not a lawyer, judge, baker, gay, or married, so my knowledge on any of this is minimal.
Huh. Interesting. You seem to have great knowledge of the way the market works, so perhaps you can help explain the following:
The market is capable of producing cars that can reach speeds of well over 85 miles per hour. The local, state, and federal governments all prohibit speeds over that(at the most), and punish offenders. Why is the market incapable of producing cars that can’t travel faster than 85 miles per hour?
That’s also the understanding I have, but I had to google the decision to get to that point. I didn’t see how @Mufasa’s reached the conclusion just based on what was in the original post.
I’d agree that it makes no sense. I guess forcing a man to sell his property is still better than not only forcing him to sell but to create.
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The market is capable. Do you have any imaginary demand for a car that tops out at 85 mph as a selling point?
edit: and after a brief google
looks like the market can and is producing cars with max speed limits already. Demand seems to be fairly low lol
I agree with that. As the gay couple, though, after this baker refuses to sell you something, why not just take your business elsewhere and leave the baker to wallow in his ignorance? I support gay marriage and gay rights as a whole, but I’ve never really understood why this is a big deal to them. Yeah, the world still has bigots in it. But at the same time, I think a vast majority of people don’t actively discriminate against ethnic/religious/sexually oriented minorities. Meaning there’s probably 100 other bakeries who would be thrilled to create a masterpiece for that couple to have at their wedding for every 1 bakery that would refuse to do business with them.
Somewhat unrelated, but I firmly believe that discrimination is becoming exponentially smaller as the generations go on. I’m 20 years old and from a traditionally conservative town, and it’s always surprising to hear someone say they don’t like/support minorities of some kind. I’d be very hard pressed to find many people my age who take a hard stance against gays. I guess my point is that as my generation has children, and then they have children, and so on, being gay and being a minority simply won’t be a big deal anymore.
I’ve seen this change in my own family. My dear old grandma (God rest her soul) once referred to Obama as “one of the blacks.” I was about 10 in 2007 and I remember being taken aback. “One of the blacks?” Wtf is that supposed to mean? She wasn’t particularly racist I don’t think, but that just goes to show you how quickly sentiments about these issues can change from generation to generation. To her, Obama was “one of the blacks,” but to me, he was just a guy running for president. By the time I have grandchildren, I would be utterly shocked if even being a transexual, let alone being gay, was an issue for society in general. Times change and people change. I think as the old white dudes making the laws start to die, the floodgates of change will swing wide open and our society will strike a beautiful balance. Definitely looking forward to that.