This is my biggest concern. Chauvin may very well be a monster, but this does not look like due process of law.
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Of course it won’t. It will only affect the cases with the right kind of racial optics.
Like I said. This is a clear example of social justice playing out in the courtrooms instead of what we’ve understood justice to be for centuries, as imperfect as that understanding was. Not to mention how it was all deeply rooted in white supremacy, and therefore in need of replacement by Chauvin-esque trials going forward.
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How so?
You can always refer to the defense, but off the top of my head…
Former Vice President Biden calling the event a murder as the trial was underway.
Maxine Waters saying Maxine Waters things.
Overt threats of organized violence in cities across the entire country.
Overt threats of violence against jurors.
Convictions that stretch the definition of words as I’ve come to understand them.
Much of this is enabled by politicians at all levels somehow calculating that the predictable chaos will benefit their election chances. It is, of course, our own fault that these bad actors are not yet being driven from the land, never to return.
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You mean “show trials.”
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None of that infringes on Chauvin’s right to due process. If it had, a mistrial would have been called. It was a jury of peers that unanimously voted to convict on all counts. You don’t agree with the conviction. That doesn’t mean due process was flouted, and our justice system will crumble.
Sad state for USA. Greg Gutlessfeld: ‘Even If Chauvin Is Not Guilty, I’m Glad He’s Found Guilty To Save The Country’ (bitchute.com)
Depends on the subject.
I don’t think the entire Chauvin saga is as cut-and-dry as you seem to believe it is at this point, but I don’t share your level of understanding, either.
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That’s the best any decent person can say about it.
Meh most people’s minds were made up already on this. People went in to the trial thinking he was either guilty or not which is often the case in high profile cases.
If he had been innocent it would be the end of the world and a clear sign that a cop can get away with murder as long as the person is black. Since he was found guilty it’s the end of the world for cops and trials in general.
An overwhelming avalanche of hyperbole was going to follow this no matter the outcome. But most people had their minds made up before it even started.
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Had this case not been as infamous as it was, and had the potential for violence against the jurors not been as real as it was, I wouldn’t be surprised if a different decision had been made.
And I’m probably one of the more liberally minded people on here, at least as far as racial things go.
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This happens in every high profile and/or organized crime case. No different.
I could maybe agree with you on the organized crime, but were any of OJ’s jurors scared for their lives/safety?
Actually haha, were they? Was that a thing? I wasn’t alive.
Rodney king trial? Trayvon martin? Etc, etc, etc.
It’s only a failure of due process if the side you picked, loses.
I’m curious now. I kinda group Trayvon Martin with Floyd because it’s recent enough and I consider it more of the “start” of all of this stuff (I know things happened before Martin but you know what I mean), but I didn’t know for sure what feelings around Rodney King’s thing was. It was a different time. People were different.
You think the jurors at that trial were scard for their safety? Didn’t the cops all get off? Again, I’m gonna go Google this myself but I actually know very little about it.
If I remember correctly, the trial was moved to a mostly white suburb where a lot of police officers retired.
Spoken like a true Communist.
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You realize judges get reversed on appeal for failing to declare mistrials and for numerous other mistaken rulings, right? In this case, the defense moved for a change of venue, and the court denied the motion. Then, most of the venire panel expressed concern about the repercussions if they were to serve on the jury and acquit. Then, the judge denied the defense’s motion to sequester the jury in the face of overwhelming publicity about the threat of riots if the jury didn’t convict. I don’t purport to know what the appellate court will do with these issues, but in my view they raise serious questions about the fairness of the trial.
As far as your comments that those of us who are expressing these concerns are doing so because “our side” lost, we don’t have a “side” here other than the “side” of due process. I harbor no partiality for Chauvin, and as far as I’m concerned, he may be guilty as hell. But that’s not the issue; in this country, we have due process for everyone accused of a crime, regardless of how hated that person is.
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I was young and don’t remember the details in terms of actually “living them.” If by people were different you mean more likely to be cool with brutal assaults of a black person by cops then maybe.
But I guess that wasn’t the end of fair trials, justice, or whatever but this is? Like I said avalanche of hyperbole.
Of course they did. Hypothetically, a country over here, assuming it exists, used to have too much freedom of speech and unmitigated rights to assembly. It was terrible. Horrific. A dystopian wasteland. The Brits finally put a stop to that with *vaguely worded new legislation when racial riots broke out which were supposed to serve as “temporary emergency measures” to resolve the situation, which the next incumbent government decided to retain and and expand upon to do great things like throw potential political opponents in jail without trial by alleging they were “commies”, and now uses them to stifle the campaigning activities of it’s political opponents.
#thisisallfiction #imadeitallup #themultiverseexists
*When I say “vaguely worded”, I really, truly fucking mean “vaguely worded” - as in anyone with the intellectual capacity of a 12 year old, which I estimate is what Jimmy Fallon possesses assuming that version of Jimmy Fallon also exists in his current form both in our current universe and in the aforementioned part of the multiverse that may or may not exist, will agree with and have his mind blown and his perception of reality completely distorted upon reading it.
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