As a long time Batman fan, I’ve been very pleased so far that Nolan has been treating the character with such a serious tone. Just looking at the actors who have been cast (well, except for Katie Holmes), these are amazing artists, and the fact that at the root of the whole Batman mythos, Bruce Wayne is a seriously disturbed individual… well, let’s just say it’s all been very appropriate decision making by Chris Nolan.
The trend that seemd to exist in the previous batman films, where you haad to have 2 or 3 villians, obviously created nothing but confusion, and poor character development. When i had initially heaard that we’d see the Scarecrow in the 1st film, I was worried, but the use of him, as an almost secondary, or ancilliary characterworked very well. Hopefully Nolan will keep his approach, and studio heads will allow him continued creative control.
The problem with riddler is we just had a similar character in the joker and there is the risk it could end up like a saw movie, and catwoman are to cheesy in Nolans mind. There are plenty of villains to be used black mask, catman, cluemaster, deadshot, hugo strange, hush zeus, madd hatter etc…
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
As a long time Batman fan, I’ve been very pleased so far that Nolan has been treating the character with such a serious tone. Just looking at the actors who have been cast (well, except for Katie Holmes), these are amazing artists, and the fact that at the root of the whole Batman mythos, Bruce Wayne is a seriously disturbed individual… well, let’s just say it’s all been very appropriate decision making by Chris Nolan.
The trend that seemd to exist in the previous batman films, where you haad to have 2 or 3 villians, obviously created nothing but confusion, and poor character development. When i had initially heaard that we’d see the Scarecrow in the 1st film, I was worried, but the use of him, as an almost secondary, or ancilliary characterworked very well. Hopefully Nolan will keep his approach, and studio heads will allow him continued creative control.
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I don’t think we’ll ever have to worry about Nolan changing the tone of the franchise. I was initially hesitant with Ledger as the choice for the Joker, and look how that turned out. He was maybe the best villain in movie history. Whatever choices-casting,writing,etc-that Nolan makes, I as a fan am totally on board. For the record, I think two-face will be back, and at some point we will see the Joker again. Initially it might be just word of his exploits or the visual aftermath of whatever havoc he’s wreaked, but we will see him again. The fact that Scarecrow made an appearance in the Dark knight leads me to believe that we’re gonna get the Batman universe as a whole, not just segmented portions like what has been done in the past.
That’s a fake. And the name definitely isn’t going to be The Dark Knight Returns like the comic. It’s also too obvious and remiscent to Batman Returns. Rumours of Depp (god no! he’s a good actor, but vastly overexposed nowadays) being related to a possible third movie in the franchise were debunked long ago. If they cast someone, it should be someone who isn’t always in the spotlights, someone less known by the general public, but still recognizable.
For now, nothing is official. Warner Brothers recently published an extensive list of coming releases for the years 2010 and 2011. There was no mention of anything Batman-related. Nolan isn’t officially on board yet, but insiders say that his contract with WB for making his next movie (Inception, scheduled for 2010) includes some kind of commitment to develop a third batman.
I think the next villain will need to be a powerful actor, to successfully off set the strength of Christian Bale. Depp has this ability, but I don’t think it would be an ideal choice. I need to ask around further and get back to this friend to see what I can find.
[quote]drewh wrote:
The problem with riddler is we just had a similar character in the joker and there is the risk it could end up like a saw movie, and catwoman are to cheesy in Nolans mind. There are plenty of villains to be used black mask, catman, cluemaster, deadshot, hugo strange, hush zeus, madd hatter etc…[/quote]
That’s true but from what I recall from Nolan is that he wants to keep villains that could be actual. No supernaturalism to them or freakish powers. Hence the use of the Scarecrow and the Joker so far. It makes sense to use the Riddler next.
I think someone like Steve Buscemi would fit the role well. He’s played some rather dark and crazy roles before and perhaps too suited for him. But he fits the visual profile and could probably hit split personalities well.
[quote]gladieux41 wrote:
I heard eddie murphy as the riddler and shia lebeouf as robin. it was probably a lie though. i read somewhere robin would definately not be in it[/quote]
That was definitely bullshit. How could you even buy that?
[quote]Tank53 wrote:
drewh wrote:
The problem with riddler is we just had a similar character in the joker and there is the risk it could end up like a saw movie, and catwoman are to cheesy in Nolans mind. There are plenty of villains to be used black mask, catman, cluemaster, deadshot, hugo strange, hush zeus, madd hatter etc…
That’s true but from what I recall from Nolan is that he wants to keep villains that could be actual. No supernaturalism to them or freakish powers. Hence the use of the Scarecrow and the Joker so far. It makes sense to use the Riddler next.
I think someone like Steve Buscemi would fit the role well. He’s played some rather dark and crazy roles before and perhaps too suited for him. But he fits the visual profile and could probably hit split personalities well. [/quote]
I think Deadshot could be one of the cooler villains if they approached it right.
Also, The Riddler is NOTHING like the Joker. The Riddler, like you wrote, would be more like “Jigsaw” from the Saw movies if they approached it with more realism. The Joker is all about chaos and showing that society isn’t the epitome of goodness and humanity it thinks it is.
In fact, I wouldn’t hate it one bit if they found a way to just grab that same character from Saw and throw him into Gotham…but I know it won’t happen.
[quote]Tank53 wrote:
drewh wrote:
The problem with riddler is we just had a similar character in the joker and there is the risk it could end up like a saw movie, and catwoman are to cheesy in Nolans mind. There are plenty of villains to be used black mask, catman, cluemaster, deadshot, hugo strange, hush zeus, madd hatter etc…
That’s true but from what I recall from Nolan is that he wants to keep villains that could be actual. No supernaturalism to them or freakish powers. Hence the use of the Scarecrow and the Joker so far. It makes sense to use the Riddler next.
I think someone like Steve Buscemi would fit the role well. He’s played some rather dark and crazy roles before and perhaps too suited for him. But he fits the visual profile and could probably hit split personalities well. [/quote]
Buscemi would probably make a good Riddler, I just somehow don’t see him “fitting” in with the rest of the cast. Supposedly Black Mask was one of the original villains intended for the Dark Knight. In all honesty, alot of Batman villains are similar.
Mad hatter is kinda like Scarecrow, the Riddler is kinda like the Joker, Black Mask is kinda like two-face etc… Nolan has portrayed the Batman world the way it was intended, and I think the Riddler [in the right actors hands] would be another homerun.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tank53 wrote:
drewh wrote:
The problem with riddler is we just had a similar character in the joker and there is the risk it could end up like a saw movie, and catwoman are to cheesy in Nolans mind. There are plenty of villains to be used black mask, catman, cluemaster, deadshot, hugo strange, hush zeus, madd hatter etc…
That’s true but from what I recall from Nolan is that he wants to keep villains that could be actual. No supernaturalism to them or freakish powers. Hence the use of the Scarecrow and the Joker so far. It makes sense to use the Riddler next.
I think someone like Steve Buscemi would fit the role well. He’s played some rather dark and crazy roles before and perhaps too suited for him. But he fits the visual profile and could probably hit split personalities well.
I think Deadshot could be one of the cooler villains if they approached it right.
Also, The Riddler is NOTHING like the Joker. The Riddler, like you wrote, would be more like “Jigsaw” from the Saw movies if they approached it with more realism. The Joker is all about chaos and showing that society isn’t the epitome of goodness and humanity it thinks it is.
In fact, I wouldn’t hate it one bit if they found a way to just grab that same character and throw him into Gotham…but I know it won’t happen.[/quote]
Deadshot would be awesome, but I think it would be hard to do without being “too comic book” and still remaining true to the character. I would hate it if they made the Riddler like “Jigsaw”.
I know ya’ll are making a loose comparison, but the Riddler’s so much cooler and more complex than that that it would be a shame to take the easy route. Point blank, whatever direction the writers decide to go I’m on board. The first two are unbelievably good, and we all know the third [and on] won’t disappoint.
They could go with the Penguin. In keeping with the realism, they could play up the fact the he uses his status in society to make it harder for Batman to beat him.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Batman Begins was a very good movie. The dark Night sucked. Typical PG 13 style story. A kid movie that adult watch out of reminiscence. Kinda like the X men movies. [/quote]
There is no chance of this happening, but I would like to see The Reaper make an appearance in a Batman movie. The original Reaper only appeared once, but he remains one of my favorite villains.
His real name was Judson Caspian, and he had a very similar background to Bruce Wayne: Caspian, like Wayne, was driven to fight crime through personal tragedy (Caspian’s wife was killed by criminals).
Unlike Batman, The Reaper chooses to execute criminals himself rather than let them be judged in a court of law.
The Reaper was Batman’s predecessor in 1950’s Gotham, and his killing spree forced him to flee to Europe, until he returns to Gotham some thirty years later and decides to take up the mantle of The Reaper once more.
This brings him into direct conflict with The Dark Knight. Lots of potential there, I think. But realistically, The Reaper isn’t popular enough to appear as a principal villain.
It’s a shame, because I think that he would fit in well with the Gotham that Nolan has created. He has no powers, and is just a highly trained man. Like Batman, he uses a symbol to instill fear into the criminals that he encounters…
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Dude the new villain is obviously two face…Did no one pay attention to the guy getting half his face burnt off and all the coin flipping?
Also I lost a lot of respect for the director after he hired that UGLY ASS HO to play rachel, wtf?
At least shes dead so the next one should be good.[/quote]
I don’t think anybody is disputing that Two-Face is bound to play an important role in the next movie. He isn’t really a new villain though, because he had considerable screentime in TDK and his ‘rebirth’ was fully established.
Then again, I’m pretty sure that Nolan originally intended The Joker to make a return as well. Now that Ledger is dead, Nolan either has to re-cast the role (which is going to be a tough job), or re-work the plot with another villain.
I just can’t see Two-Face being the sole villain. I agree that he will be back, and I also believe that Batman / Gordon’s cover-up will be made public. But I think the consequences of Dent’s actions will drive the next movie.
Nolan has already indicated what would happen to Gotham if the details of Dent’s crimes were to become common knowledge: it would destroy his reputation and cast doubt on every single case he has ever tried as District Attorney of Gotham. Every criminal he has ever prosecuted will walk free and Gotham will be at its weakest point yet.
Even if Batman continues to shoulder the blame for the murders Dent committed in TDK, all it takes is for Dent to continue on his killing spree and for the public to know that he is Two-Face - then all hell will break loose.
I’m really hoping for two-face/black mask. I’m not sure I buy two-face being dead. I think he makes a great villian, and Roybot’s theory above would work pretty well.
I say Black Mask because I think most of the rest of Batman’s rogue gallery are either too unrealistic (Poison Ivy, Penguin) or too unrecognizable (Hush? Great story, but no way could you turn that into a movie). I don’t think Black Mask suffers from either of these problems.
