The Dangers of Ignoring Cognitive Inequality

[pat]

@pfury

’m disputing that it’s getting more difficult to fill low skill jobs compared to high skill jobs.

I was not disputing that at all.

[pfury]

@pat

I was not disputing that at all.

Apologies, when you said

@pat

Right now, the challenge is finding enough people to fill the majority of jobs that exist without the need for a college education.

I took that to mean the challenge is finding low skill people, which is not the case

[zecarlo]

No, because we are both smart enough to not live around lions, unlike your genius Bushman.

[SkyzykS]

Whether or not a lion eats you has less to do with the intelligence of the snack than the appetite of the lion.

So how do you keep black mamba from hiding in the corner of your hut?

[Sloth]

@SkyzykS

So how do you keep black mamba from hiding in the corner of your hut?

Get a mongoose.

[SkyzykS]

Build a round hut!

[dchris]

@SkyzykS

Build a round hut

@Sloth

Get a mongoose

Lmao! Sloth, you’re a little slow today.

[pat]

You make a good point here. It’s an old test and an old scale. Even if you are educated in a good system thats science and math based, you have transfer that affect to a limited box by then which is analyzed.
So it’s not great in the system it was designed for, it’s much less informative for that which it was not designed for.

That being said, it’s some measure where there otherwise is none other than perception. It’s pretty much all we have to gage ‘smartness’ which is really what we want to know.

I think we need a lot more measures. People good at standardized tests can appear smarter than they are. And people who excel, say at art, who may otherwise be really smart but cannot articulate it in a boxed up nice little test, may appear dumber.
I just don’t think it’s a reliable marker for intelligence. It’s called an ‘intelligence test’ but in reality it’s just another standardized test, which can only tell you how good a person can tell you how to solve problems similar to the types of problems on that test. Drilling in in to this data can’t tell you all that much per person per group. There are wide variations in a small data set much less when the data set is a whole country or the world.

[pat]

Not college educated does not mean low skilled.
You went to college can you replace my HVAC?

[pat]

Lol … sorry, that was a good one.

[SkyzykS]

@pat

So it’s not great in the system it was designed for, it’s much less informative for that which it was not designed for.

Its just a measuring tool like a tape measure or something similar. I underwent a battery of tests and interviews when I was in grade school due to my behaviors. The result was that intelligence or lack thereof wasn’t the problem. I’ve consistently crushed every standardized test (and virtually every other type) I’ve ever taken.

All of the stuff about “If your IQ is this then you can…” is just Facebook fodder.

Very few people are actually working at their intellectual limit on a regular basis.

@Sloth

Get a mongoose.

My favoritist bike ever! (Also my first real bmx). You could do wheelies on them for days!

[dchris]

@SkyzykS

All of the stuff about “If your IQ is this then you can…” is just Facebook fodder.

Tell that to Raj.

[SkyzykS]

I tried! He couldn’t resist the urge to run up a mango tree long enough to listen. Genetics I guess?

[oglebee]

@zecarlo

That is not as bad as it looks if you think of it as being spread evenly across the nation, which it isn’t. What’s bad is that some populations have a much higher percentage of low IQ people, and no one wants to admit it and deal with it properly. There are schools in which almost half the students are diagnosed as special ed. These same students will be placed in AP and honors courses because everyone deserves to go to college.

I noticed this transition in my last two years of high school. The principle of my high school had removed all on level courses. So if you were a student in on level English you were enrolled in honors English and if you were in Honors you were put in AP.

I remember my 11th grade English class we were reading Othello or Hamlet and as is common students read the different parts out loud. Well this was a struggle for the kids who had previously been enrolled in the normal grade level English. They literally could barely read. The curriculum had to be adjusted and essentially watered down.

In hindsight the principal was selfishly trying to boost her resume by driving the stats for the school up. A lot of the the metrics that rank high schools in the US do so by percentage of students in honor and AP courses with no consideration for performance in those courses.

One student was criticized for writing a paper. I forget the details of the assignment but he was supposed to reframe from first person narrative "I think…"etc. How did he fix this. He substituted “I think” with “Tyrone thinks”. The teacher couldn’t help but laugh and accepted the assignment. Sometimes you do a person a disservice putting them in courses they don’t belong in and courses they probably have no interest in taking.

[pfury]

@pat

Not college educated does not mean low skilled.
You went to college can you replace my HVAC?

In the context of the job market it would fall under the low skill category, yes. It doesn’t literally mean every job they take requires little individual skill

[oglebee]

But I think we are all ignoring the true dangers of ignoring cognitive inequality.

[Sloth]

@dchris

@SkyzykS

Build a round hut

@Sloth

Get a mongoose

Lmao! Sloth, you’re a little slow today.

Just today? This thread hits a little too close to home. Let me tell you, I’m so stupid I picked a guy’s pocket and tried to make a run for it. We were in an airplane! Thank you, Mr. Dangerfield.

I’d still just get a pet mongoose!

[marine77]

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