The Bush Interrogation Veto

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:
rainjack wrote:
100meters wrote:

That’s the military and every expert, apparently “assclowns”.

Look at the bang up job we’ve done in Iraq. I wouldn’t let any of those military geniuses run my fucking remote control.

So there take on torture is worth less than a gallon of toilet water.

The military didn’t get to run Iraq, that was/is the problem.

I think that most of the high ranking brass in the military is just as political as congress. I see no difference in a General decrying torture and some junior Senator from New Hampshire[/quote]

Must you mock Senator Sunununununununu?

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So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Because after all, them ebil Jihadists are sooooo much tougher than members of the Waffen SS or Japanese officers from the samurai caste ever where.

Makes perfect sense to me .

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[quote]orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Because after all, them ebil Jihadists are sooooo much tougher than members of the Waffen SS or Japanese officers from the samurai caste ever where.

Makes perfect sense to me .

[/quote]

What is this “our” bullshit? What is this “we” bullshit? What is this “us” crap?

You are a fucking pro-terrorist Euro. You are most definitely not an “our”, a “we”, or an “us”.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Because after all, them ebil Jihadists are sooooo much tougher than members of the Waffen SS or Japanese officers from the samurai caste ever where.

Makes perfect sense to me .

What is this “our” bullshit? What is this “we” bullshit? What is this “us” crap?

You are a fucking pro-terrorist Euro. You are most definitely not an “our”, a “we”, or an “us”.

[/quote]

Applause for failing to address the issue yet again.

Congrats, two times more and you get a golden star.

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[quote]orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Because after all, them ebil Jihadists are sooooo much tougher than members of the Waffen SS or Japanese officers from the samurai caste ever where.

Makes perfect sense to me .

[/quote]

Wrong. No one is mandating the use of waterboarding or even proposing it be used more frequently, just keeping it as an option for the most fanatical important prisoners that refuse to talk.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Because after all, them ebil Jihadists are sooooo much tougher than members of the Waffen SS or Japanese officers from the samurai caste ever where.

Makes perfect sense to me .

Wrong. No one is mandating the use of waterboarding or even proposing it be used more frequently, just keeping it as an option for the most fanatical important prisoners that refuse to talk.

[/quote]

Then I remind you again that OUR (sic!) president has the right to pardon people.

That should suffice for the handful of people that are treated this way.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You are a fucking pro-terrorist Euro. [/quote]

I don’t see anything pro-terrorist in Orion’s position.

But you might want to refrain from using Euro as an insult. As of today, it represents 1.5369 Dollars.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You are a fucking pro-terrorist Euro.

I don’t see anything pro-terrorist in Orion’s position.

But you might want to refrain from using Euro as an insult. As of today, it represents 1.5369 Dollars.[/quote]

It will always be an insult regardless of how low the dollar goes.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Applause for failing to address the issue yet again.

Congrats, two times more and you get a golden star.

[/quote]

I am quite on topic until pro-terrorist Euro-trash shows up to pretend to matter.

One only need to read my last two posts prior to your fat lady in a bikini contest intrusion.

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[quote]orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

[/quote]

Hilarious, but yes Zap’s beliefs appear to be dictated by any number of logic trainwrecks.

That, or he’s mentally retarded.

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Did someone say Euro?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You are a fucking pro-terrorist Euro.

I don’t see anything pro-terrorist in Orion’s position.

But you might want to refrain from using Euro as an insult. As of today, it represents 1.5369 Dollars.[/quote]

Just so you Europeans are aware, a weak dollar is a double edged sword.

It becomes more expensive for U.S. companies to spend money overseas…

…but it becomes dirt cheap for them to sell things overseas. They also tend to get a lot more FDI because foreign investors get more equity in American companies than they can in foreign companies for the same amount of money.

If U.S. companies start gaining market share in Europe because the Europeans can’t compete with the low prices of the American products, and U.S. companies also start getting more foreign investment and higher stock prices, you might not beat your chest quite so proudly about the strong Euro.

Not everybody gnashes their teeth when the market’s a bear, and it’s not all bad when the dollar is weak.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:

Not everybody gnashes their teeth when the market’s a bear, and it’s not all bad when the dollar is weak.[/quote]

I’ll say. It only costs 103 yen to buy a dollar these days. Sweet.

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Cotton futures are trading at 20 year highs.

I love a weak dollar. It makes my clients happy, and when they are happy, I can increase my fees.

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What do you do for a living? You are a commodity trader?

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[quote]100meters wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Hilarious, but yes Zap’s beliefs appear to be dictated by any number of logic trainwrecks.

That, or he’s mentally retarded.

[/quote]

You are the one proclaiming torture never works and you dare call someone else names? You are a fool.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Hilarious, but yes Zap’s beliefs appear to be dictated by any number of logic trainwrecks.

That, or he’s mentally retarded.

You are the one proclaiming torture never works and you dare call someone else names? You are a fool.
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I guess it’s not p.c. to say retarded, I should have said mentally challenged, sorry about that.

Also isn’t “assclown” more of a “name”.

And I think several people agreed that torture definitely works at getting information. The argument is that it obviously isn’t effective at getting good intel. That’s clearly backed up by, oh the confessions, the military, the FBI, and 99.999% of all experts.

we can either go with all of that…
or Zap.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Hilarious, but yes Zap’s beliefs appear to be dictated by any number of logic trainwrecks.

That, or he’s mentally retarded.

You are the one proclaiming torture never works and you dare call someone else names? You are a fool.

I guess it’s not p.c. to say retarded, I should have said mentally challenged, sorry about that.

Also isn’t “assclown” more of a “name”.

And I think several people agreed that torture definitely works at getting information. The argument is that it obviously isn’t effective at getting good intel. That’s clearly backed up by, oh the confessions, the military, the FBI, and 99.999% of all experts.

we can either go with all of that…
or Zap.[/quote]

No one made the claim it works 100% of the time or is the best method of getting information. As such it should be used rarely.

You on the other hand want to ban it because you claim it NEVER works which is false of course.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
100meters wrote:
orion wrote:
So let us sum it up.

The highest military says it does not work, the best interrogators never used it, because they knew better and even the CIA only used it three times-

But, apparently our betters hide things from us, for our own good and since that might include one case were torture actually acquired useful information that could not possibly have been acquired otherwise we return to the Dark Ages.

Hilarious, but yes Zap’s beliefs appear to be dictated by any number of logic trainwrecks.

That, or he’s mentally retarded.

You are the one proclaiming torture never works and you dare call someone else names? You are a fool.

I guess it’s not p.c. to say retarded, I should have said mentally challenged, sorry about that.

Also isn’t “assclown” more of a “name”.

And I think several people agreed that torture definitely works at getting information. The argument is that it obviously isn’t effective at getting good intel. That’s clearly backed up by, oh the confessions, the military, the FBI, and 99.999% of all experts.

we can either go with all of that…
or Zap.

No one made the claim it works 100% of the time or is the best method of getting information. As such it should be used rarely.

You on the other hand want to ban it because you claim it NEVER works which is false of course.
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you keep changing “not effective” to “never” I’m noticing.

My actual position is we don’t need to do it and shouldn’t do it because it’s not as effective, it’s a waste of valuable resources, and obviously harms us in the war on terror, if one believes that U.S. policy and perceived U.S. hypocrisy helps fuel the angst that creates more terrorist/ism (which I do).