The Bastards Caved...

Beowolf · October 4, 2008, 6:52pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It looks like McCotter of Michigan voted “no”…twice…

He stuck to his basic beliefs.

You’ve got a good Representative, Michigan.

His speech needs to be sent to Nancy Pelosi and all those in Congress who Voted for this fiasco:

Mufasa[/quote]

Holy shit… this guy is awesome. Great link Mufasa.

hedo · October 4, 2008, 7:17pm

Interesting story about why Frank was so cuddly with FNMA. He had a fannie friend who worked for them.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,432501,00.html

PRCalDude · October 4, 2008, 7:43pm

[quote]cyph31 wrote:
ah yes someone criticizes the jewish and the first reply is “you’re antisemetic gtfo”

why don’t we apply this logic when discussing other groups of people ? that way we can avoid talking about anything ![/quote]

We do apply that logic to other people. If whites start talking about blacks or Mexicans, it’s racism.

It’s one thing to criticize another group of people, it’s quite another to believe that that particular group of people is the source of the world’s woes. Mister “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” up there is the latter.

If you believe that a particular group of people is the cause of all your problems, then you yourself are the cause of most of your own problems.

Beowolf · October 4, 2008, 9:40pm

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
If you believe that a particular group of people is the cause of all your problems, then you yourself are the cause of most of your own problems. [/quote]

I’d say even if you don’t believe a particular group is the cause of all your problems, then you are still the cause of most of your problems.

Most people like blaming. /shrug/

PRCalDude · October 4, 2008, 9:59pm

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
If you believe that a particular group of people is the cause of all your problems, then you yourself are the cause of most of your own problems.

I’d say even if you don’t believe a particular group is the cause of all your problems, then you are still the cause of most of your problems.

Most people like blaming. /shrug/[/quote]

True.

jawara · October 4, 2008, 11:40pm

[quote]rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They were holding out for their own interests. The Democrats got more money to spend and for the Republicans the rich get a little richer (another happy day for big oil).

Lets face it the average joe doesn’t need FDIC insurance to protect 250K instead of 100K. What pisses me off the keep referring to 700 Billion and instead of 800 Billion. Are we supposed to beleive the extra 100 Billion is free?

Bill and Earnie went to the race track and bet their paychecks on the wrong horse and we are paying for their mistakes. Our turn comes in November, vote out any incumbent with a “yes” vote.

I usually tend to disagree with liberals - but I will cross the aisle this time to agree with one on this.

I will not vote for any candidate running for national office who voted for this bill - to include the office of the President.

How about you, RW? Are you willing to give Opie the same treatment I am going to give McCain? [/quote]

I’m right there with you. I guess that means Obama wins because a lot of people that were going to vote for Mccain aint votin for his punk ass, now.

jawara · October 4, 2008, 11:51pm

[quote]dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:

Bob Barr '08 (we can wish, right?)

After the bailout vote in the senate, I bought a hat, a shit, and yard sign and paid for a lifetime membership to the libertarian party.

Another 2 good years in the corporate world and i’m out. time to send the wife back to work and run as libertarian for local office. This shit is out of fucking control. that may be my campaign slogan.

I’ll move to your district… where about?

Minnesota. You don’t want to live here. It’s a liberal paradise. one of the highest taxing states. buisinesses are leaving by the bus load. Most of them probably going to texas. extremely powerful teachers union. shit, were even wasting money on mass transit. I thought light rail had failed in enough communities, but I guess not.

I love MN too much to leave, despite the political mess, but if I were going to move anywhere it would be the Dallas area.[/quote]

Hasn’t it also become a haven for Muslims that don’t want to integrate into the culture?

msd0060 · October 5, 2008, 12:17am

[quote]rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They were holding out for their own interests. The Democrats got more money to spend and for the Republicans the rich get a little richer (another happy day for big oil).

Lets face it the average joe doesn’t need FDIC insurance to protect 250K instead of 100K. What pisses me off the keep referring to 700 Billion and instead of 800 Billion. Are we supposed to beleive the extra 100 Billion is free?

Bill and Earnie went to the race track and bet their paychecks on the wrong horse and we are paying for their mistakes. Our turn comes in November, vote out any incumbent with a “yes” vote.

I usually tend to disagree with liberals - but I will cross the aisle this time to agree with one on this.

I will not vote for any candidate running for national office who voted for this bill - to include the office of the President.

How about you, RW? Are you willing to give Opie the same treatment I am going to give McCain? [/quote]

I honestly feel the same exact way. I’m not sure who I would vote for in McCain’s stead though…

dhickey · October 5, 2008, 12:31am

[quote]jawara wrote:
dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
dhickey wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:

Bob Barr '08 (we can wish, right?)

After the bailout vote in the senate, I bought a hat, a shit, and yard sign and paid for a lifetime membership to the libertarian party.

Another 2 good years in the corporate world and i’m out. time to send the wife back to work and run as libertarian for local office. This shit is out of fucking control. that may be my campaign slogan.

I’ll move to your district… where about?

Minnesota. You don’t want to live here. It’s a liberal paradise. one of the highest taxing states. buisinesses are leaving by the bus load. Most of them probably going to texas. extremely powerful teachers union. shit, were even wasting money on mass transit. I thought light rail had failed in enough communities, but I guess not.

I love MN too much to leave, despite the political mess, but if I were going to move anywhere it would be the Dallas area.

Hasn’t it also become a haven for Muslims that don’t want to integrate into the culture?[/quote]

We have quite a few Muslim Somalis. The only issues I’ve heard were cab driver refusing to take passangers at the airport that had alcohol, and refusing to touch pork after taking a jobs at a meat processing plants. The cab driver situation took care of itself. the union got goldenplump to work around the pork thing, which was kind of a joke.

There are some other general cultural issues like the prayer thing and washing their feet in toilets which make quite a mess in bathrooms

Quite some time ago we had a large influx of Hmung. It only took a gneration for assimilation. There was crazy shit at the beginning like 6 families in a single house, gardens on roofs that couldn’t support it, flooded basements as fish farms.

Tiribulus · October 5, 2008, 12:40am

[quote]msd0060 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They were holding out for their own interests. The Democrats got more money to spend and for the Republicans the rich get a little richer (another happy day for big oil).

Lets face it the average joe doesn’t need FDIC insurance to protect 250K instead of 100K. What pisses me off the keep referring to 700 Billion and instead of 800 Billion. Are we supposed to beleive the extra 100 Billion is free?

Bill and Earnie went to the race track and bet their paychecks on the wrong horse and we are paying for their mistakes. Our turn comes in November, vote out any incumbent with a “yes” vote.

I usually tend to disagree with liberals - but I will cross the aisle this time to agree with one on this.

I will not vote for any candidate running for national office who voted for this bill - to include the office of the President.

How about you, RW? Are you willing to give Opie the same treatment I am going to give McCain?

I honestly feel the same exact way. I’m not sure who I would vote for in McCain’s stead though…
[/quote]

I hope you guys think about how much less your vote will mean after 4 or God forbid 8 years of Obama with the court appointments and all the congressional committees in the very hands they are now only with that unholy walking unconstitutional hatchet job now at the helm.

streamline · October 5, 2008, 2:37am

They wonder why people don’t vote. Fact they still wonder why people don’t vote!

jlesk68 · October 5, 2008, 4:28pm

Heroic US Congressmen Who Voted NO To ‘Bailout’

Lorie Kramer
October 4, 2008
Real Representatives
Here are the great members of the House of Representatives
who voted NO to the so-called ‘bailout’ both times it was presented this past week.
These American patriots did not succumb to massive pressure to betray the People…they truly represented them.
They did not trade off the trust of their home districts for bankster lies, financial deception and hidden pork.
These people deserve to be recognized for honoring the wishes of their constituents.

State Representative Party

AK Rep. Donald Young R
AL Rep. Robert Aderholt R
AZ Rep. Jeff Flake R
AZ Rep. Trent Franks R
AZ Rep. RaÃºl Grijalva D
AZ Rep. Richard Renzi R
CA Rep. Xavier Becerra D
CA Rep. Brian Bilbray R
CA Rep. John Doolittle R
CA Rep. Bob Filner D
CA Rep. Elton Gallegly R
CA Rep. Duncan Hunter R
CA Rep. Darrell Issa R
CA Rep. Kevin McCarthy R
CA Rep. Grace Napolitano D
CA Rep. Devin Nunes R
CA Rep. Dana Rohrabacher R
CA Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard D
CA Rep. Edward Royce R
CA Rep. Loretta Sanchez D
CA Rep. Brad Sherman D
CA Rep. Fortney Stark D
CA Rep. Linda SÃ¡nchez D
CO Rep. Douglas Lamborn R
CO Rep. Marilyn Musgrave R
CO Rep. John Salazar D
CO Rep. Mark Udall D
CT Rep. Joseph Courtney D
FL Rep. Gus Michael Bilirakis R
FL Rep. Virginia Brown-Waite R
FL Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart R
FL Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart R
FL Rep. Tom Feeney R
FL Rep. Ric Keller R
FL Rep. Connie Mack IV R
FL Rep. John Mica R
FL Rep. Jeff Miller R
FL Rep. Clifford Stearns R
FL Rep. C. W. Bill Young R
GA Rep. John Barrow D
GA Rep. Paul Broun R
GA Rep. Nathan Deal R
GA Rep. Phil Gingrey R
GA Rep. Henry Johnson Jr. D
GA Rep. Jack Kingston R
GA Rep. John Linder R
GA Rep. Thomas Price R
GA Rep. Lynn Westmoreland R
IA Rep. Steve King R
IA Rep. Thomas Latham R
ID Rep. William Sali R
IL Rep. Jerry Costello D
IL Rep. Timothy Johnson R
IL Rep. Daniel Lipinski D
IL Rep. Donald Manzullo R
IL Rep. Peter Roskam R
IL Rep. John Shimkus R
IN Rep. Dan Burton R
IN Rep. Stephen Buyer R
IN Rep. Baron Hill D
IN Rep. Mike Pence R
IN Rep. Peter Visclosky D
KS Rep. Nancy Boyda D
KS Rep. Jerry Moran R
KS Rep. Todd Tiahrt R
KY Rep. Albert Chandler III D
KY Rep. Geoff Davis R
KY Rep. Edward Whitfield R
LA Rep. Donald Cazayoux Jr. D
LA Rep. William Jefferson D
LA Rep. Stephen Scalise R
MA Rep. William Delahunt D
MA Rep. Stephen Lynch D
MD Rep. Roscoe Bartlett R
ME Rep. Michael Michaud D
MI Rep. John Conyers Jr. D
MI Rep. Thaddeus McCotter R
MI Rep. Candice Miller R
MI Rep. Mike Rogers R
MI Rep. Bart Stupak D
MN Rep. Michele Bachmann R
MN Rep. Collin Peterson D
MN Rep. Timothy Walz D
MO Rep. W. Todd Akin R
MO Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr. D
MO Rep. Samuel Graves R
MO Rep. Kenny Hulshof R
MS Rep. Travis Childers D
MS Rep. Gene Taylor D
MS Rep. Bennie Thompson D
MT Rep. Dennis Rehberg R
NC Rep. George Butterfield Jr. D
NC Rep. Virginia Foxx R
NC Rep. Robert Hayes R
NC Rep. Walter Beaman Jones Jr. R
NC Rep. Patrick McHenry R
NC Rep. Mike McIntyre D
NC Rep. Heath Shuler D
NE Rep. Jeff Fortenberry R
NE Rep. Adrian Smith R
NH Rep. Paul Hodes D
NH Rep. Carol Shea-Porter D
NJ Rep. Scott Garrett R
NJ Rep. Frank LoBiondo R
NJ Rep. Donald Payne D
NJ Rep. Steven Rothman D
NJ Rep. Christopher Smith R
NM Rep. Stevan Pearce R
NM Rep. Tom Udall D
NV Rep. Dean Heller R
NY Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand D
NY Rep. Maurice Hinchey D
NY Rep. JosÃ© Serrano D
OH Rep. Steven Chabot R
OH Rep. James Jordan R
OH Rep. Marcy Kaptur D
OH Rep. Dennis Kucinich D
OH Rep. Steven LaTourette R
OH Rep. Robert Latta R
OH Rep. Michael Turner R
OK Rep. Frank Lucas R
OR Rep. Earl Blumenauer D
OR Rep. Peter DeFazio D
PA Rep. Jason Altmire D
PA Rep. Christopher Carney D
PA Rep. Philip English R
PA Rep. Tim Holden D
PA Rep. Tim Murphy R
PA Rep. Joseph Pitts R
PA Rep. Todd Platts R
SD Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin D
TN Rep. Marsha Blackburn R
TN Rep. David Davis R
TN Rep. Lincoln Davis D
TN Rep. John Duncan Jr. R
TX Rep. Michael Burgess R
TX Rep. John Carter R
TX Rep. John Culberson R
TX Rep. Lloyd Doggett D
TX Rep. Louis Gohmert R
TX Rep. Ralph Hall R
TX Rep. Jeb Hensarling R
TX Rep. Samuel Johnson R
TX Rep. Nicholas Lampson D
TX Rep. Kenny Marchant R
TX Rep. Michael McCaul R
TX Rep. Randy Neugebauer R
TX Rep. Ronald Paul R
TX Rep. Ted Poe R
TX Rep. Ciro Rodriguez D
UT Rep. Rob Bishop R
UT Rep. Jim Matheson D
VA Rep. Thelma Drake R
VA Rep. James Randy Forbes R
VA Rep. Virgil Goode Jr. R
VA Rep. Robert Goodlatte R
VA Rep. Robert Scott D
VA Rep. Robert Wittman R
WA Rep. Doc Hastings R
WA Rep. Jay Inslee D
WA Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers R
WA Rep. David George Reichert R
WI Rep. Steven Kagen D
WI Rep. Thomas Petri R
WI Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. R
WV Rep. Shelley Capito R

All who voted for this trillion dollar theft
should be removed from office on November 4.

Tiribulus · October 5, 2008, 5:02pm

Mcotter voted against it for the right reasons, but Conyers and Stabenow (Mi. Senator D) voted against it because it wasn’t liberal ENOUGH.

A nay vote isn’t automatically heroic, but your point is well taken. The trouble is removing them from office will likely replace them with somebody else who also would have voted for it or against it for the wrong reasons. Not in all cases, but we are trapped with largely bad options.

I contend a 3rd party vote will put Obama in the whitehouse and hence make any chance of reform even less likely in the future after he’s done with this country with Dem majorities in both houses of congress.

This bailout deal is clearly a violation of the constitutional principle of private property rights and hence illegal, but who cares right. We needed saving and they saved us.

This is only the beginning folks. The door is swinging open now, but president Obama (I almost gagged typing that) will nail the door to the wall. He’ll be walking right into an environment tailor made for his brand of centralized power.

zephead4747 · October 5, 2008, 5:16pm

[quote]dhickey wrote:

Quite some time ago we had a large influx of Hmung. It only took a gneration for assimilation. There was crazy shit at the beginning like 6 families in a single house, gardens on roofs that couldn’t support it, flooded basements as fish farms.[/quote]

same thing happened here. They americanized extremely fast though.

dhickey · October 5, 2008, 11:38pm

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
Heroic US Congressmen Who Voted NO To ‘Bailout’

Lorie Kramer
October 4, 2008
Real Representatives
Here are the great members of the House of Representatives
who voted NO to the so-called ‘bailout’ both times it was presented this past week.
These American patriots did not succumb to massive pressure to betray the People…they truly represented them.

They did not trade off the trust of their home districts for bankster lies, financial deception and hidden pork.
These people deserve to be recognized for honoring the wishes of their constituents.

State Representative Party

AK Rep. Donald Young R
AL Rep. Robert Aderholt R
AZ Rep. Jeff Flake R
AZ Rep. Trent Franks R
AZ Rep. RaÃºl Grijalva D
AZ Rep. Richard Renzi R
CA Rep. Xavier Becerra D
CA Rep. Brian Bilbray R
CA Rep. John Doolittle R
CA Rep. Bob Filner D
CA Rep. Elton Gallegly R
CA Rep. Duncan Hunter R
CA Rep. Darrell Issa R
CA Rep. Kevin McCarthy R
CA Rep. Grace Napolitano D
CA Rep. Devin Nunes R
CA Rep. Dana Rohrabacher R
CA Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard D
CA Rep. Edward Royce R
CA Rep. Loretta Sanchez D
CA Rep. Brad Sherman D
CA Rep. Fortney Stark D
CA Rep. Linda SÃ¡nchez D
CO Rep. Douglas Lamborn R
CO Rep. Marilyn Musgrave R
CO Rep. John Salazar D
CO Rep. Mark Udall D
CT Rep. Joseph Courtney D
FL Rep. Gus Michael Bilirakis R
FL Rep. Virginia Brown-Waite R
FL Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart R
FL Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart R
FL Rep. Tom Feeney R
FL Rep. Ric Keller R
FL Rep. Connie Mack IV R
FL Rep. John Mica R
FL Rep. Jeff Miller R
FL Rep. Clifford Stearns R
FL Rep. C. W. Bill Young R
GA Rep. John Barrow D
GA Rep. Paul Broun R
GA Rep. Nathan Deal R
GA Rep. Phil Gingrey R
GA Rep. Henry Johnson Jr. D
GA Rep. Jack Kingston R
GA Rep. John Linder R
GA Rep. Thomas Price R
GA Rep. Lynn Westmoreland R
IA Rep. Steve King R
IA Rep. Thomas Latham R
ID Rep. William Sali R
IL Rep. Jerry Costello D
IL Rep. Timothy Johnson R
IL Rep. Daniel Lipinski D
IL Rep. Donald Manzullo R
IL Rep. Peter Roskam R
IL Rep. John Shimkus R
IN Rep. Dan Burton R
IN Rep. Stephen Buyer R
IN Rep. Baron Hill D
IN Rep. Mike Pence R
IN Rep. Peter Visclosky D
KS Rep. Nancy Boyda D
KS Rep. Jerry Moran R
KS Rep. Todd Tiahrt R
KY Rep. Albert Chandler III D
KY Rep. Geoff Davis R
KY Rep. Edward Whitfield R
LA Rep. Donald Cazayoux Jr. D
LA Rep. William Jefferson D
LA Rep. Stephen Scalise R
MA Rep. William Delahunt D
MA Rep. Stephen Lynch D
MD Rep. Roscoe Bartlett R
ME Rep. Michael Michaud D
MI Rep. John Conyers Jr. D
MI Rep. Thaddeus McCotter R
MI Rep. Candice Miller R
MI Rep. Mike Rogers R
MI Rep. Bart Stupak D
MN Rep. Michele Bachmann R
MN Rep. Collin Peterson D
MN Rep. Timothy Walz D
MO Rep. W. Todd Akin R
MO Rep. William Lacy Clay Jr. D
MO Rep. Samuel Graves R
MO Rep. Kenny Hulshof R
MS Rep. Travis Childers D
MS Rep. Gene Taylor D
MS Rep. Bennie Thompson D
MT Rep. Dennis Rehberg R
NC Rep. George Butterfield Jr. D
NC Rep. Virginia Foxx R
NC Rep. Robert Hayes R
NC Rep. Walter Beaman Jones Jr. R
NC Rep. Patrick McHenry R
NC Rep. Mike McIntyre D
NC Rep. Heath Shuler D
NE Rep. Jeff Fortenberry R
NE Rep. Adrian Smith R
NH Rep. Paul Hodes D
NH Rep. Carol Shea-Porter D
NJ Rep. Scott Garrett R
NJ Rep. Frank LoBiondo R
NJ Rep. Donald Payne D
NJ Rep. Steven Rothman D
NJ Rep. Christopher Smith R
NM Rep. Stevan Pearce R
NM Rep. Tom Udall D
NV Rep. Dean Heller R
NY Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand D
NY Rep. Maurice Hinchey D
NY Rep. JosÃ© Serrano D
OH Rep. Steven Chabot R
OH Rep. James Jordan R
OH Rep. Marcy Kaptur D
OH Rep. Dennis Kucinich D
OH Rep. Steven LaTourette R
OH Rep. Robert Latta R
OH Rep. Michael Turner R
OK Rep. Frank Lucas R
OR Rep. Earl Blumenauer D
OR Rep. Peter DeFazio D
PA Rep. Jason Altmire D
PA Rep. Christopher Carney D
PA Rep. Philip English R
PA Rep. Tim Holden D
PA Rep. Tim Murphy R
PA Rep. Joseph Pitts R
PA Rep. Todd Platts R
SD Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin D
TN Rep. Marsha Blackburn R
TN Rep. David Davis R
TN Rep. Lincoln Davis D
TN Rep. John Duncan Jr. R
TX Rep. Michael Burgess R
TX Rep. John Carter R
TX Rep. John Culberson R
TX Rep. Lloyd Doggett D
TX Rep. Louis Gohmert R
TX Rep. Ralph Hall R
TX Rep. Jeb Hensarling R
TX Rep. Samuel Johnson R
TX Rep. Nicholas Lampson D
TX Rep. Kenny Marchant R
TX Rep. Michael McCaul R
TX Rep. Randy Neugebauer R
TX Rep. Ronald Paul R
TX Rep. Ted Poe R
TX Rep. Ciro Rodriguez D
UT Rep. Rob Bishop R
UT Rep. Jim Matheson D
VA Rep. Thelma Drake R
VA Rep. James Randy Forbes R
VA Rep. Virgil Goode Jr. R
VA Rep. Robert Goodlatte R
VA Rep. Robert Scott D
VA Rep. Robert Wittman R
WA Rep. Doc Hastings R
WA Rep. Jay Inslee D
WA Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers R
WA Rep. David George Reichert R
WI Rep. Steven Kagen D
WI Rep. Thomas Petri R
WI Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. R
WV Rep. Shelley Capito R

All who voted for this trillion dollar theft
should be removed from office on November 4.[/quote]

Watch for Michelle Bachmann. He is real sharp and a real up and comer in the Republican Party. She is a real conservative. Pretty fuckable as well.

JoeG254 · October 6, 2008, 12:00am

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They were holding out for their own interests. The Democrats got more money to spend and for the Republicans the rich get a little richer (another happy day for big oil).

Lets face it the average joe doesn’t need FDIC insurance to protect 250K instead of 100K. What pisses me off the keep referring to 700 Billion and instead of 800 Billion. Are we supposed to beleive the extra 100 Billion is free?

Bill and Earnie went to the race track and bet their paychecks on the wrong horse and we are paying for their mistakes. Our turn comes in November, vote out any incumbent with a “yes” vote.

I usually tend to disagree with liberals - but I will cross the aisle this time to agree with one on this.

I will not vote for any candidate running for national office who voted for this bill - to include the office of the President.

How about you, RW? Are you willing to give Opie the same treatment I am going to give McCain?

I honestly feel the same exact way. I’m not sure who I would vote for in McCain’s stead though…

I hope you guys think about how much less your vote will mean after 4 or God forbid 8 years of Obama with the court appointments and all the congressional committees in the very hands they are now only with that unholy walking unconstitutional hatchet job now at the helm. [/quote]

I was tempted to vote 3rd party because McCain voted for the bail out but, I can’t stand the idea of President Obama.

Mufasa · October 6, 2008, 12:13am

I don’t know, dh…

She voted against the “bailout”…

But Bachmann sounds like one of those “Smile-and-pray while-I-cut-your-throat” conservatives that may not do too well on the National stage.

Mufasa

dhickey · October 6, 2008, 4:57pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I don’t know, dh…

She voted against the “bailout”…

But Bachmann sounds like one of those “Smile-and-pray while-I-cut-your-throat” conservatives that may not do too well on the National stage.

Mufasa [/quote]

She’s actually pretty tough. Definately outspoken here in MN and not afraid to take anyone on.

Tiribulus · October 6, 2008, 10:30pm

[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
msd0060 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
They were holding out for their own interests. The Democrats got more money to spend and for the Republicans the rich get a little richer (another happy day for big oil).