'That's So Gay!'

[phaethon]

[quote]forlife wrote:

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.[/quote]

Can you chuck me some references? Preferably from peer reviewed journals.

[quidnunc]

[quote]phaethon wrote:
forlife wrote:

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.

Can you chuck me some references? Preferably from peer reviewed journals.[/quote]

Here’s the APA’s statement - it cites dozens of journal studies

RESEARCH SUMMARY

Lesbian and Gay Parents

Many lesbians and gay men are parents. In the 2000 U. S. Census, 33% of female same-sex couple households and 22% of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under the age of 18 living in the home. Despite the significant presence of at least 163,879 households headed by lesbian or gay parents in U.S. society, three major concerns about lesbian and gay parents are commonly voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). These include concerns that lesbians and gay men are mentally ill, that lesbians are less maternal than heterosexual women, and that lesbians’ and gay men’s relationships with their sexual partners leave little time for their relationships with their children. In general, research has failed to provide a basis for any of these concerns (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). First, homosexuality is not a psychological disorder (Conger, 1975). Although exposure to prejudice and discrimination based on sexual orientation may cause acute distress (Mays & Cochran, 2001; Meyer, 2003), there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002). Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly in their approaches to child rearing (Patterson, 2000; Tasker, 1999). Members of gay and lesbian couples with children have been found to divide the work involved in childcare evenly, and to be satisfied with their relationships with their partners (Patterson, 2000, 2004a). The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers’ and gay fathers’ parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual parents. There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation (Armesto, 2002; Patterson, 2000; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children. Return to top of the page

Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents

As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. For instance, one such concern is that children brought up by lesbian mothers or gay fathers will show disturbances in gender identity and/or in gender role behavior. A second category of concerns involves aspects of children’s personal development other than sexual identity. For example, some observers have expressed fears that children in the custody of gay or lesbian parents would be more vulnerable to mental breakdown, would exhibit more adjustment difficulties and behavior problems, or would be less psychologically healthy than other children. A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent’s friends or acquaintances.

Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a). Studies of other aspects of personal development (including personality, self-concept, and conduct) similarly reveal few differences between children of lesbian mothers and children of heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). However, few data regarding these concerns are available for children of gay fathers (Patterson, 2004b). Evidence also suggests that children of lesbian and gay parents have normal social relationships with peers and adults (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). The picture that emerges from research is one of general engagement in social life with peers, parents, family members, and friends. Fears about children of lesbian or gay parents being sexually abused by adults, ostracized by peers, or isolated in single-sex lesbian or gay communities have received no scientific support. Overall, results of research suggest that the development, adjustment, and well-being of children with lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from that of children with heterosexual parents. Return to top of the page

Resolution

WHEREAS APA supports policy and legislation that promote safe, secure, and nurturing environments for all children (DeLeon, 1993, 1995; Fox, 1991; Levant, 2000);

WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore “all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians” and urges “the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men” (Conger, 1975);

WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Child Custody and Placement in 1976 (Conger, 1977, p. 432)

WHEREAS Discrimination against lesbian and gay parents deprives their children of benefits, rights, and privileges enjoyed by children of heterosexual married couples;

WHEREAS some jurisdictions prohibit gay and lesbian individuals and same-sex couples from adopting children, notwithstanding the great need for adoptive parents (Lofton v. Secretary, 2004);

WHEREAS there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);

WHEREAS research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the APA opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA believes that children reared by a same-sex couple benefit from legal ties to each parent;

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA supports the protection of parent-child relationships through the legalization of joint adoptions and second parent adoptions of children being reared by same-sex couples;

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services in their practice, research, education and training (American Psychological Association, 2002);

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations.
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References

American Psychological Association. (2002). Ethical principles of psychologists and code of conduct. American Psychologist, 57, 1060-1073.

Armesto, J. C. (2002). Developmental and contextual factors that influence gay fathers’ parental competence: A review of the literature. Psychology of Men and Masculinity, 3, 67 - 78.

Conger, J.J. (1975). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1974: Minutes of the Annual meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 30, 620-651.

Conger, J. J. (1977). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the legislative year 1976: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives. American Psychologist, 32, 408-438.

DeLeon, P.H. (1993). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1992: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 13 and 16, 1992, and February 26-28, 1993, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 48, 782.

DeLeon, P.H. (1995). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1994: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 11 and 14, 1994, Los Angeles, CA, and February 17-19, 1995, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 49, 627-628.

Falk, P.J. (1994). Lesbian mothers: Psychosocial assumptions in family law. American Psychologist, 44, 941-947.

Fox, R.E. (1991). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the year 1990: Minutes of the annual meeting of the Council of Representatives August 9 and 12, 1990, Boston, MA, and February 8-9, 1991, Washington, DC. American Psychologist, 45, 845.

Levant, R.F. (2000). Proceedings of the American Psychological Association, Incorporated, for the legislative year 1999: Minutes of the Annual Meeting of the Council of Representatives February 19-21, 1999, Washington, DC, and August 19 and 22, 1999, Boston, MA, and Minutes of the February, June, August, and December 1999 Meetings of the Board of Directors. American Psychologist, 55, 832-890.

Lofton v. Secretary of Department of Children & Family Services, 358 F.3d 804 (11th Cir. 2004).

Mays, V. M., & Cochran, S. D. (2001). Mental health correlates of perceived discrimination among lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults in the United States. American Journal of Public Health, 91, 1869-1876.

Meyer, I. H. (2003). Prejudice, social stress, and mental health in lesbian, gay, and bisexual populations: Conceptual issues and research evidence. Psychological Bulletin, 129, 674-697.

Patterson, C.J. (2000). Family relationships of lesbians and gay men. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62, 1052- 1069.

Patterson, C.J. (2004a). Lesbian and gay parents and their children: Summary of research findings. In Lesbian and gay parenting: A resource for psychologists. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.

Patterson, C. J. (2004b). Gay fathers. In M. E. Lamb (Ed.), The role of the father in child development (4th Ed.). New York: John Wiley.

Patterson, C. J., Fulcher, M., & Wainright, J. (2002). Children of lesbian and gay parents: Research, law, and policy. In B. L. Bottoms, M. B. Kovera, and B. D. McAuliff (Eds.), Children, Social Science and the Law (pp, 176 - 199). New York: Cambridge University Press.

Perrin, E. C., and the Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health (2002). Technical Report: Coparent or second-parent adoption by same-sex parents. Pediatrics, 109, 341 - 344.

Stacey, J. & Biblarz, T.J. (2001). (How) Does sexual orientation of parents matter? American Sociological Review, 65, 159-183.

Tasker, F. (1999). Children in lesbian-led families - A review. Clinical Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 4, 153 - 166.

Tasker, F., & Golombok, S. (1997). Growing up in a lesbian family. New York: Guilford Press. Return to top of the page

[Headhunter]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I know you’re gay, obvious from your avatar, but with one of your modernistic fad’s it is said that homosexuals raising a child have produced a harder life for that child. This is of course caused by the child’s of the up bringing and views of the child after being raised by homosexuals as well as the child usually being anti-social.

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.[/quote]

Are those the same ones that changed their tune back in the 70’s? You know, the ones that said that homosexuality was a mental illness until a whole lot of money from foundations came pouring in?

[Headhunter]

[quote]quidnunc wrote:
forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I know you’re gay, obvious from your avatar, but with one of your modernistic fad’s it is said that homosexuals raising a child have produced a harder life for that child. This is of course caused by the child’s of the up bringing and views of the child after being raised by homosexuals as well as the child usually being anti-social.

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.

But they’re all controlled by a sinister conspiracy of limp-wristed effeminates, you see (NOT HOMOPHOBIC)
[/quote]

They were bought and paid for, by foundation money (Carnegie, Rockefeller, and a host of others). Look, when scientists en masse change their tune in a short space of time, its a crock (more so in social sciences, less so in the hard sciences).

How was it that most social scientists (that’s an oxymoron, actually) had one set of conclusions one year, then the complete opposite the next?

Will post links about all this later.

[Headhunter]

"The American Psychological Association supports the action taken on December 15, 1973, by the American Psychiatric Association, removing homosexuality from that Association’s official list of mental disorders. The American Psychological Association therefore adopts the following resolution:

Homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgement, stability, reliability, or general social and vocational capabilities; Further, the American Psychological Association urges all mental health professionals to take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness that has long been associated with homosexual orientations."

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/discrimination.html

“APA is a very large, rich organization. In collaboration with other groups seeking radical social change, APA wields its power to impose its prejudice upon American citizens. The history of such collaborations are ominous. Whether the zealots joined wear brown shirts, pink triangles, or raise the clenched fist of radical feminism, when professional and scientific organizations embrace their cause, the scientific enterprise dies and is replaced by propaganda and coercion.”

http://www.narth.com/docs/1995papers/johnson.html

Note: “Ray W. Johnson, Ph.D. is a licensed psychologist and founding member of the University of North Texas Psychology Department, as well as Training Director of the school’s APA-accredited Counseling Psychology program. He is the co-author of a book on individual assessment and has published papers on personality, marital and family issues. In 1991 he founded Psychologists for a Free A.P.A. for the purpose of ending A.P.A. advocacy on social-moral issues.”

Go for the cash, boys! Go fer the cash!!

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]quidnunc wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
quidnunc wrote:
orion wrote:
quidnunc wrote:
orion wrote:
Babies, no less.

There is my objection to gay marriage right there.

I don’t think all that many babies get gay marriages, so I’m not quite sure what you’re talking about.

That is because you do not pay attention.

Obviously gay birds steal other birds eggs and breed them.

So, and this is, like dhuh!, completely inevitably, married gay guys would steal babies to play family.

Dude, it is like, so obvious,

I cannot support baby stealing.

Pretty sure you’re not serious, but if you are, you are aware that there are lots of unwanted babies in the world and that gay couples who adopt (which isn’t their only option, lesbians can get a sperm donor and gay men can get a surrogate mother) will take care of one of these, yes?

I know you’re gay, obvious from your avatar, but with one of your modernistic fad’s it is said that homosexuals raising a child have produced a harder life for that child. This is of course caused by the child’s of the up bringing and views of the child after being raised by homosexuals as well as the child usually being anti-social.

You can’t conceive of how a straight man could support equal rights for everyone? Do you realize that you are the exact ideological descendant of the people shouting “nigger-lover” at the whites on the Freedom Rides or the Selma March? What a sad, pathetic shell of a human being you are.

[/quote]

Wow, this is the last thing I’ll say to you. You’re a bastard for comparing discrimination based on the color of someone’s skin to someone that makes a choice of how they live. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married, the marriage just has to be between a man and a woman. Thanks for showing your arrogance in comparing me with a racist, to someone who believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
quidnunc wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
quidnunc wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
quidnunc wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
forlife wrote:
GrandpaButch wrote:
However, as one Christian expert has said:

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”

Grandpa, the copy-and-paste warrior!

What I find funny about this “Christian expert” is that discrimination against gender and race is condemned, while discrimination against homosexuality is condoned.

HOWEVER

If this “Christian expert” bothered to read his holy book, he would find that the bible blatantly advocates slavery and misogeny. Oops.

So much for it being wrong to discriminate based on “what a person is”.

Until 1975, homosexuality was defined by the APA as a mental illness. Then $$$$$ came in and changed the tune.

If this was the 1950’s, you’d probably not be gay. Only when perversion got mainstreamed did people with a slight case of the mental illness feel free to get into these things.

Give me an explanation of why you hate homosexuality that doesn’t quote the Bible or commit the naturalistic fallacy.

Prove homosexuality is normal without quoting modernistic science, or commit non-tradition folly. Go away '09

What do you even mean? Obviously, the great majority of people aren’t gay, but then, the great majority of people aren’t stamp collectors or hockey fans or weightlifters, yet there’s nothing wrong with being any of these things.

Perhaps you meant “prove that it’s not bad?” It’s an immutable trait that has no effect on third parties, like race or blood type or height. In every moral system I’m aware of, traits like these are accepted.

I said normal, not common. And god does not hate gay’s, he hates sin. And men laying with men as they would lay with women, is a sin.

Again, explain why you hate gays (or the defining characteristic of gays) without resorting to religious babble. You haven’t yet.

Hmm, yet you have not followed what I have said, you must be short because it was definitely not meant to go over your head.

Well, I’m not a sociologist, but sociology explains that the corner stone of the survival of a country is the institute of marriage. Committing acts of adultery, and sexual acts outside wedlock deteriorate that institute.

Is this the institute to which you refer? http://www.nationalmarriage.com/

Talking of institutes I get the growing feeling from your posts that you should be institutionalised.[/quote]

Why, because I believe that same-sex marriages should not be allowed, and that I believe that homosexual acts are a sin. I think you’d have to lock up a lot of people if that’s the criteria.

[phaethon]

[quote]quidnunc wrote:

Here’s the APA’s statement - it cites dozens of journal studies

[/quote]

Thanks mate. Will take a look at the papers they cite tonight when I get home from work.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I know you’re gay, obvious from your avatar, but with one of your modernistic fad’s it is said that homosexuals raising a child have produced a harder life for that child. This is of course caused by the child’s of the up bringing and views of the child after being raised by homosexuals as well as the child usually being anti-social.

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.[/quote]

Well, post those things so I can find them since obviously you have read them. Maybe I do not believe in psychoanalysis.

P.S. Sorry for my grammar and spelling to all the editors out there. Sometimes, I copy and paste my stuff when editing and the meanings and spelling are off.

[forlife]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Are those the same ones that changed their tune back in the 70’s? You know, the ones that said that homosexuality was a mental illness until a whole lot of money from foundations came pouring in?
[/quote]

Not unless you are uninformed enough to believe the APA is the same organization as the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, the Surgeon General, and every other major medical and mental health organization.

[pookie]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
and we live in close proximity to our ancestors.[/quote]

Their house is built on a cemetery.

[forlife]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Wow, this is the last thing I’ll say to you. You’re a bastard for comparing discrimination based on the color of someone’s skin to someone that makes a choice of how they live. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married, the marriage just has to be between a man and a woman. Thanks for showing your arrogance in comparing me with a racist, to someone who believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.[/quote]

Racists from a generation ago were as convinced of the correctness of their beliefs as you are of yours, and used the same bible you use to substantiate their beliefs.

A generation from now, people will look at you in the same way you now view racists.

[eigieinhamr]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

Well, post those things so I can find them since obviously you have read them. Maybe I do not believe in psychoanalysis.

[/quote]

That’s a good thing since it isn’t psychoanalysis that he is talki9ng about. Psychoanalysis is very rarely ever used any more, and it is for psychiatry, not psychology.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]pookie wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
and we live in close proximity to our ancestors.

Their house is built on a cemetery.
[/quote]

Pretty close, I meant we live in the same area. The family cemetery is about forty miles from my house.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Wow, this is the last thing I’ll say to you. You’re a bastard for comparing discrimination based on the color of someone’s skin to someone that makes a choice of how they live. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married, the marriage just has to be between a man and a woman. Thanks for showing your arrogance in comparing me with a racist, to someone who believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Racists from a generation ago were as convinced of the correctness of their beliefs as you are of yours, and used the same bible you use to substantiate their beliefs.

A generation from now, people will look at you in the same way you now view racists.[/quote]

What that gay marriage is wrong and that homosexual acts are sin? Okay, if they don’t believe in the Bible anymore.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:

Well, post those things so I can find them since obviously you have read them. Maybe I do not believe in psychoanalysis.

That’s a good thing since it isn’t psychoanalysis that he is talki9ng about. Psychoanalysis is very rarely ever used any more, and it is for psychiatry, not psychology.[/quote]

Interesting since both use psychoanalysis.

[eigieinhamr]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:

Well, post those things so I can find them since obviously you have read them. Maybe I do not believe in psychoanalysis.

That’s a good thing since it isn’t psychoanalysis that he is talki9ng about. Psychoanalysis is very rarely ever used any more, and it is for psychiatry, not psychology.

Interesting since both use psychoanalysis.[/quote]

You are displaying a clear misunderstanding of this. Some psychiatrists use psychoanalysis, but this doesn’t form the majority.
Psychology studies psychoanalysis, but it forms a small amount of most research. It is not recognised as a scientific area most psychologists (and is therefore looked at in the context of the history of psychology rather than current practice), and a tiny minority would actually use it to explain anything ever.
I’m a psych major, so I assume I actually know more about the topic than you.

[Gregus]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I know you’re gay, obvious from your avatar, but with one of your modernistic fad’s it is said that homosexuals raising a child have produced a harder life for that child. This is of course caused by the child’s of the up bringing and views of the child after being raised by homosexuals as well as the child usually being anti-social.

Go read up. Every major medical and mental health organization has actually done the research, and concluded that children raised by gay parents are on equal footing with children raised by straight parents, on all measures of psychological health. You couldn’t be more wrong.[/quote]

Bullshit. Theres no way of knowing. Logic should tell you studies like this are impossible. Only way to tell is if you have a large scale population that raises their children in same sex homes. They you have to follow them for a lifetime to see how they really turned out. How they formed relationships and families. It would take an entire generation or research.

Those studies are designed to tell people not how it is, but how they want it to be. lol.

Being gay is disease.

How a man can lust after another man and lust after anal and oral sex with another man and see it as normal? How can they not have the sentience to think “that urge i have is odd” and over time seek to understand themselves as needing help?

Gay people usually suffered some kind of trauma in their childhood. Some came from seemingly normal homes that were not healthy for their mental development.

[Gregus]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Are those the same ones that changed their tune back in the 70’s? You know, the ones that said that homosexuality was a mental illness until a whole lot of money from foundations came pouring in?

Not unless you are uninformed enough to believe the APA is the same organization as the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association, the Surgeon General, and every other major medical and mental health organization.[/quote]

APA? Anal Practitioners Association? Wow, that’s Gay. J/k.

I don’t like how you call someone as being racist because they disagree with gays. Hating someone for the color of their skin is completely different. I don’t HATE gays. Hell when they come into my business and ask for charity and to display their AIDS walks and such i do it for them. I think they’re fun to talk to and kinda amusing.

But comparing someone to a racist is a tactic of shutting up your opponent, as it is to compare a gay person to someone who is a scourge of God. Both serve no purpose.

All that being said, just about every Gay person know deep in their soul they’d rather be straight. The current Political Correctness is harming the gay population. The thought of treatment is banished and they have no recourse now but to remain gay. Help to is hard to come by.

Even gay men who turned straight after therapy can’t and won’t be shown on talk shows to open peoples minds. It’s a shame.

[Gambit_Lost]

[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Wow, this is the last thing I’ll say to you. You’re a bastard for comparing discrimination based on the color of someone’s skin to someone that makes a choice of how they live. There is nothing wrong with gay people getting married, the marriage just has to be between a man and a woman. Thanks for showing your arrogance in comparing me with a racist, to someone who believes marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Racists from a generation ago were as convinced of the correctness of their beliefs as you are of yours, and used the same bible you use to substantiate their beliefs.

A generation from now, people will look at you in the same way you now view racists.[/quote]

Crosses Fingers