I made a typo, I mean’t 1,000+ rounds for $20.
Derek brings up a good point about using a .357 Mag indoors.
[quote]hoosegow wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
Yeah but slitting their throats is the most ferrel, manly, connected with nature part of hunting.
If only we could run as fast as deer and just chase them down with a knife.
No it is not. It sucks. The hunt is the connected part of nature, not the kill. The kill is the worst part. You kill as humanely as possible.[/quote]
The hunt is the best part if you are tracking them. There is nothing natural about sitting in a stand 20 yards from a feeder that has trained them to come eat at the same time every day and waiting to take a free shot handed to you by technology.
For truly connecting to nature, it is necessary to track deer with a bow, work your way close enough for a kill shot and be ready to slit their throats if need be. Animals don’t kill each other humanely and they are very natural. Torturing the deer is one thing, killing it is another.
I guess you could put another arrow/bullet through it if you are that concerned. Point blank to the head with any deer size rifle would be a quick dispatch.
Remington 870 and a Kimber Pro Carry. I would like to get a Browning Citori Sport, but not the best HD gun.
[quote]derek wrote:
it’s the safest way to kill someone!
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Derek, this quote made my morning.
Good thread guys, thanks for your input
[quote]new2training wrote:
derek wrote:
it’s the safest way to kill someone!
Derek, this quote made my morning.
Good thread guys, thanks for your input[/quote]
Not to toot my own horn but I loved the irony!
Thanks N2T!
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
I think you should get the .22 rifle first.
You will be able to practice your marksmanship more often for two reasons:
1)It is cheap to shoot, you can buy 100+ rounds for $20.
2)They are easy to shoot, they recoil is very slight and they are quiter than centerfires.
When you are a new shooter flinching is your worst enemy, you need to condition your self to resist the flinching impulse.
You need to practice, practice and practice at this stage in your shooting endevours. This is easier to accomplish with a .22, you can litterally shoot one all afternoon with out fatigue.
Centerfires are great fun, but they becoming taxing to shoot after a while.
Even an accomplished marksman starts to fatigue/flinch after 20-40 continous centerfire rifle shots…It also gets pretty freakin expensive to shoot 100 rounds of rifle cartridges every weekend.
Exactly right. If you are serious, get a .22 rifle and pistol. the amount of time you will get to practice if done properly, will quickly develop your proficiency. and if you have never shot before, you’ll need it.
So many people I have seen have started out with a 9 mm, high powered rifle or 12 guage and are downright horrible at shooting. They think they’re okay, but they have never learned such things as a sight picture, trigger squeeze and so on.
Stay away from an SKS in my opinion. to me, they’re junk. they are very inaccurate shooting in the 4 moa range. An out of box Remington rifle should shoot about 1 moa for example.
For .22s, the Ruger 10/22 is fairly good and cheap. If you want a bolt action, their synthetic model is pretty decent, but a little pricey. their Mark 2 and 22/45 pistols are also worthwhiel.
I understand plinking, but I would rather reinforce good habits with more accurate weapons than just blasting away. It might be the German in me, but my dad was a little anal about accuracy and doing thigns right.
For just plinking away a 10/22 or other semiauto 22 is cheap and fairly accurate.
For higher powered rifles, I would get a good AR15. The rounds aren’t much, but the rifles are expensive. If you’re in this for the long haul you have something good. If not, just get a 22. I paid 700-900$ for a bushmaster ten plus years ago and just took it in for a new eotech sight and match grade barrel. It’ll be 1400-17004 total int eh gun but it’ll shoot MOA or less.
Right now I’m teaching my son to shoot. I want him to earn right from the ground up. We saw some guys at the range a few months ago. Nice fellows, but clueless on shooting. they wasted about 30 bucks on bullets blasting away at a target 25 yards away. They hit it 6-7 times in 99 using the new SA polymer pistol in 45 auto. I put one shot just left of the 10 ring when they let me try it.
Not bragging, but I was my son to see bad habits don’t get better if you don’t corecct mistakes. The way most shoot reinforces bad habits.
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Great points if the OP is after accuracy and competition shooting. If he just wants to have fun, 12ga shotguns, SKS rifles etc are excellent for just shooting shit.
[quote]derek wrote:
A 357 Mag. or any “bullet” firing weapon is not exactly ideal for home defense and any rifle is usually a bad idea for the same reasons. Even if you expect ideal conditions for a perfect shot at an intruder, the bullet may very well exit the body and penetrate sheetrock and eventually innocent people (sleeping kids etc.)
That’s why I recommend a shotgun of some type for home defense. Using birdshot can even fatally penetrate sheetrock at short distances but it’s the safest way to kill someone!
Aside from home defense, I like most of the choices above.[/quote]
I grab my 12 gauge first with hunting loads for the home. It won’t be doing much to my neighbors it goes through a wall or two.
My favorite guns are 1911 .45s.
For just having a fun time shooting shit then .357 (.45s) Ruger Vaqueros are a blast. Who doesn’t want to act out their cowboy fantasies, draw from the hip and plink a few beer cans?
I just bought a Walther P22. I’ve been having alot of fun with this little gun. I use this mostly for practice working technique, and focusing on the smaller details. Even one of my favorite barmaids, who was afraid to shoot, wound up having a fun time at the range with this gun. Ammo: $13, 525 rounds, 36 grain .22LR
That’s my 2 cents, of course if your dead set on a rifle…
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK.
[quote]hoosegow wrote:
All my deer have been one shot one kill with the magnum. The two deer I shot with the .243, I’ve had to slit their throats. They both went down, one neck shot and one head shot, but neither were killed. I went back to the magnum because of this. It seems a lot more humane. I have a .357 Magnum for home defense.
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Slitting the throat makes the meat better. Screw being humane. Bleed it out while its still alive.
I own a Remington 870 Express Mag. 12 ga. and I love it. While the 870 isn’t the flashiest thing in the world, it has over 60 years of proven civilian and military use. I’ve also found that the 870 has a tighter, better constructed feel than many other, more expensive shotguns.
As far as fun plinking guns, I would look into a Ruger 10/22 semi-auto. Ruger Mini-14s are also a bad biatch, but the .223 ammo is getting progressively more expensive (as is all ammo at this point in time). I personally own an AK-74 (semi auto of course) which is a blast to shoot, but I can’t hunt big game with it (legally), and ammunition can be somewhat difficult to find, albeit cheaply purchased.
In any case, make sure you get your gun new or get it inspected by gunsmith if you are looking at purchasing a used weapon. Don’t get suckered into buying one without thinking about it seriously, unless you have a money tree. Think about what you want to use it for, and if its use justifies the costs associated with operating the gun. blah blah blah, I talk way too much.
[quote]tveddy wrote:
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK. [/quote]
I’ve never found them as cheap as .22 rounds, but they still aren’t bad compared to other calibers.
[quote]csuson wrote:
In any case, make sure you get your gun new or get it inspected by gunsmith if you are looking at purchasing a used weapon. Don’t get suckered into buying one without thinking about it seriously, unless you have a money tree. Think about what you want to use it for, and if its use justifies the costs associated with operating the gun. blah blah blah, I talk way too much. [/quote]
Don’t buy used guns unless you know a lot about guns.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Dirty Tiger wrote:
I think you should get the .22 rifle first.
You will be able to practice your marksmanship more often for two reasons:
1)It is cheap to shoot, you can buy 100+ rounds for $20.
2)They are easy to shoot, they recoil is very slight and they are quiter than centerfires.
When you are a new shooter flinching is your worst enemy, you need to condition your self to resist the flinching impulse.
You need to practice, practice and practice at this stage in your shooting endevours. This is easier to accomplish with a .22, you can litterally shoot one all afternoon with out fatigue.
Centerfires are great fun, but they becoming taxing to shoot after a while.
Even an accomplished marksman starts to fatigue/flinch after 20-40 continous centerfire rifle shots…It also gets pretty freakin expensive to shoot 100 rounds of rifle cartridges every weekend.
Exactly right. If you are serious, get a .22 rifle and pistol. the amount of time you will get to practice if done properly, will quickly develop your proficiency. and if you have never shot before, you’ll need it.
So many people I have seen have started out with a 9 mm, high powered rifle or 12 guage and are downright horrible at shooting. They think they’re okay, but they have never learned such things as a sight picture, trigger squeeze and so on.
Stay away from an SKS in my opinion. to me, they’re junk. they are very inaccurate shooting in the 4 moa range. An out of box Remington rifle should shoot about 1 moa for example.
For .22s, the Ruger 10/22 is fairly good and cheap. If you want a bolt action, their synthetic model is pretty decent, but a little pricey. their Mark 2 and 22/45 pistols are also worthwhiel.
I understand plinking, but I would rather reinforce good habits with more accurate weapons than just blasting away. It might be the German in me, but my dad was a little anal about accuracy and doing thigns right.
For just plinking away a 10/22 or other semiauto 22 is cheap and fairly accurate.
For higher powered rifles, I would get a good AR15. The rounds aren’t much, but the rifles are expensive. If you’re in this for the long haul you have something good. If not, just get a 22. I paid 700-900$ for a bushmaster ten plus years ago and just took it in for a new eotech sight and match grade barrel. It’ll be 1400-17004 total int eh gun but it’ll shoot MOA or less.
Right now I’m teaching my son to shoot. I want him to earn right from the ground up. We saw some guys at the range a few months ago. Nice fellows, but clueless on shooting. they wasted about 30 bucks on bullets blasting away at a target 25 yards away. They hit it 6-7 times in 99 using the new SA polymer pistol in 45 auto. I put one shot just left of the 10 ring when they let me try it.
Not bragging, but I was my son to see bad habits don’t get better if you don’t corecct mistakes. The way most shoot reinforces bad habits.
Great points if the OP is after accuracy and competition shooting. If he just wants to have fun, 12ga shotguns, SKS rifles etc are excellent for just shooting shit.
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Super for teaching your son. But as far as I have read, the OP hasn’t stated what he wants to do with his gun. Maybe he does just want to spray.
Also, to stay consistent and correct bad habits, add your text after the last quote. That notates the end of the text you are responding to.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
tveddy wrote:
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK.
I’ve never found them as cheap as .22 rounds, but they still aren’t bad compared to other calibers. [/quote]
Texas
They have some pretty good prices on that site. Assuming you have used them before. Have they been reliable?
[quote]hedo wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
tveddy wrote:
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK.
I’ve never found them as cheap as .22 rounds, but they still aren’t bad compared to other calibers.
Texas
They have some pretty good prices on that site. Assuming you have used them before. Have they been reliable?
[/quote]
I have been happy w/ Centerfire Systems in the past. I have not bought anything recently.
[quote]hedo wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
tveddy wrote:
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK.
I’ve never found them as cheap as .22 rounds, but they still aren’t bad compared to other calibers.
Texas
They have some pretty good prices on that site. Assuming you have used them before. Have they been reliable?
[/quote]
yep
[quote]hedo wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
tveddy wrote:
txguy- where are you getting this cheap sks ammo? Last brick I bough was $120 for 500. Personally it made me wish I had a nice 22 instead of an AK.
I’ve never found them as cheap as .22 rounds, but they still aren’t bad compared to other calibers.
Texas
They have some pretty good prices on that site. Assuming you have used them before. Have they been reliable?
[/quote]
I had to laugh when I read this. how big of a dick would he have to be to recommend a site that ripped him off.