I understand that English is not your first language, but you NEED to insert some punctuation into such sentences as it is near impossible to read the advice you give.
IME it is not necessary to graduate doses upto a max dose with Dbol, i have done in the classic diamond pattern as a newbie, and while the gains were fsabulous, it isnt a necessity and is more a waste of the drug in the earlier weeks of 10-20mg dosing.
I always recommend 30mg dianabol for those using it in their first 3 cycles. I used dbol alone for my first 2 cycles and 30mg is more than enough on all fronts.
Yes, an AI is necessary when using dbol, test or any other AROMATISING drug.
And if someone is using 1000mg of Test a week, any point before they are either 50 lean pounds above their natural limit, or before they have been training whilst chemically assisted for 5 years or so - then they are not using the drug correctly or safely, and with most members here knowing how many of the newbs react to such information it is nothing short of reckless to even mention it here at all.
i actualy never said that using 1000mg of test-e was wise nor i endorsed the use of it at any point in such dosages!!i was unfortunate enough to be totaly uninformed about roids when i first used them thats why i made this great mistake!
The guy who was selling it to me just wanted more money so he just told it was all right to take 1000mg but at the time i dint know any better!!
i also didnt say that he has to go up to 50mg of dbol but he just has to reach HIS limit wich in this case is 30mg!
i apologise if what i said created some confusion i’ll try to be more careful and district thanks!!
my favorite test is Sust, i have done 250-750mg wk to every 14days. Some guru idiots say u have to inject it every 3/4days just because it has 30mg prop n it. It has short & long esters so HR patients only had to get 1 injection per mth.
That said, u might as well go with the TestE if you r taking dbol wks 1-4, dbol will give u fast start the prop n sust would of. you should have good gains, what was your fist cycle?
wks 1-2 dbol 30mg/d
wks 3-4 dbol 40mg/d
wks 1-12 test e 500mg/wk
wks 1-11 letro .25mg ed
wks 6-11 proviron 50mg/d
wks 13-16 test E 100mg/wk
wk17 nolva 40mg/d + test e 80mg/wk
wk18 nolva 20mg/d , test e 60mg/wk
wk19 nolva 20mg/d , test e 40mg/wk
wk20 nolva 20mg/d , test e 20mg/wk
just confused about the proviron, too much mixed opinions, please some one clarify.
should it be used from the second week of cycle untill end of cycle or in later weeks like listed above?
Proviron has a great sinergy w Test it blocks receptors and increases free Test in your blood.so i would use it as long as i was using the test, if you dont have enough id use it at end of cycle because it also signal your body to start producing Test and has a fatburning effect
[quote]Sust250FLA wrote:
Proviron has a great sinergy w Test it blocks receptors and increases free Test in your blood.so i would use it as long as i was using the test, if you dont have enough id use it at end of cycle because it also signal your body to start producing Test and has a fatburning effect[/quote]
Can you go more in depth about how proviron signals one’s body to start producing test again and how it has a fat burning effect?
[quote]Sust250FLA wrote:
"…because it also signal your body to start producing Test and has a fatburning effect[/quote]
Hmm… you need to start to chill the fuck out methinky.
Do you mean to say that androgens which bind to the androgen receptors strongly have a proportionate lipolytic effect? And with proviron being an androgenic compound…
Well - while this is true AFAIK, i believe that much of it never reaches the androgen receptors as it binds so strongly to the aromatase enzyme and SHBG too.
It does NOT signal the body to start producing test. At all.
[quote] Brook wrote:
Sust250FLA wrote:
"…because it also signal your body to start producing Test and has a fatburning effect
Hmm… you need to start to chill the fuck out methinky.
Do you mean to say that androgens which bind to the androgen receptors strongly have a proportionate lipolytic effect? And with proviron being an androgenic compound…
Well - while this is true AFAIK, i believe that much of it never reaches the androgen receptors as it binds so strongly to the aromatase enzyme and SHBG too.
It does NOT signal the body to start producing test. At all.
Brook[/quote]
Well - while this is true AFAIK, i believe that much of it never reaches the androgen receptors as it binds so strongly to the aromatase enzyme and SHBG too.
Well Said, Brook. The Proviron will allow more Free T. Also worth noting is that SHBG aids in control, release, and delivery of T.
I have both and here is what happened to me hopefully some of the experienced guys can give me their opinion as well. I used test e for 8 weeks together with provirion i felt great. Amazing gains felt positive energized . I just switched the test to to sus250 and i got a fever felt weak and negative and the PIP was pretty annoying. This lasted for about 2 days I couldn’t go to the gym. Not sure why the sus made me react this way. It was the organon uk brand 1 mil viles. Lesson learn I will stick to test e