Tea Party Organizer Is Epitome Of Privilege

Tiribulus · September 21, 2009, 3:29am

[quote]TBT4ver wrote:
Petedacook wrote:

I am going to have to agree with you on this one. To me, you are all like the Borg…one collective right wing unit.

I apologize and profess that I will try to keep an open mind.

Please do. I hope you realize that by painting all conservatives with the same brush you are following the playbook of those you profess to despise (Beck, Rush, Hannity, etc). I listen to them fairly often, and while I agree with a fair amount of what they say, I take their attacks on the left with a grain of salt in that not every single liberal is a complete an utter extremist.[/quote]

Hannity is the least reliable of those three in my experience. He overstates his case and writes off opposition without adequate substantive refutation regularly enough to get on my nerves sometimes.

Petedacook · September 21, 2009, 4:26am

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:

Pete, do me a favor here. Put yourself in the shoes of a tea party guy. You sat on your hands while Bush was in office. You were unhappy with Bush but it never got beyond grumbling at your friends. Let’s say you think Iraq is a great idea but now you’re mad over the stimulus checks and the first wave of bailouts. You’ve spent your evenings home from work watching the news where Bush is bashed and protests are covered.

Now Obama is elected. He’s doing all the stuff that Bush did that made you mad. But he’s also pushing health care. He’s also pushing the 700B stimulus bill. He’s doing Cash for Clunkers and so on. You don’t see the left out protesting because they’re happy with this or they’re just doing what you did while Bush was in office. So you put down the family Bible, turn off the NASCAR and make you a sign. You go down and protest. You’re possibly being politically active for the first time ever because you’re a middle aged Wal-Mart slob. You get all excited and wave your sign and come home thinking you did something important.

Next thing you know the same people that were covering protests of Bush are openly mocking you because your simple God-fearing mind didn’t know what tea bagging was. Can you at least begin to understand their anger a little bit?

I’m not one of these people Pete, but I can sure as hell see why they’re angry. And that is not an anger I’m going to make light of.

mike[/quote]

What I understand about their anger is that it is fed by the misleading media. When people are told “Tiller is a killer” over and over, it begins to sink in. It sinks in and the act on what they “thought” was news.

I cannot defend, condone, or even comprehend why someone thinks it is a good idea to bring an automatic rifle to an Obama Rally.

Tiller was killed in his church by a right wing whack job.

That guard was shot in the holocaust museum by a right wing whack job.

This is the people on the right. This is not the people on the left. Obama has not been in office long enough to change the toilet paper.

Remember…the right blamed Clinton for 9/11.

By the way:

Income tax = unavoidable

Cigarette tax = optional

Hence why I brought up income tax…it was implicit in Obama’s rhetoric that tax increase applied to income tax. I find connecting a tax increase to cigarette tax as disingenuous.

Mikeyali · September 21, 2009, 6:24am

[quote]Petedacook wrote:

What I understand about their anger is that it is fed by the misleading media. When people are told “Tiller is a killer” over and over, it begins to sink in. It sinks in and the act on what they “thought” was news. [/quote]

Speaking of misleading media…[quote]

I cannot defend, condone, or even comprehend why someone thinks it is a good idea to bring an automatic rifle to an Obama Rally. [/quote]

Neither can I. Automatic rifles are exceptionally expensive to the order of tens of thousands of dollars. Perhaps that’s why the guy you are talking about brought a semi-automatic rifle.

Might I also add that MSNBC blatantly cut the pictures of said man to not show that he was a black man because they were using the segment to demonstrate that all these guys are white racists.

I also would struggle to imagine bringing firearms to an Obama rally. But bear in mind that just because Obama is there does not make it an Obama rally. These were protests sir. And the reason to arrive armed (particularly with military pattern weapons) is as an act of speech. We can say that we’re angry and wave Gadsden flags all day, but showing that you have the means of resistance is a far cry from claiming it.[/quote]

Tiller was killed in his church by a right wing whack job.

That guard was shot in the holocaust museum by a right wing whack job.

This is the people on the right. This is not the people on the left. Obama has not been in office long enough to change the toilet paper.
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This is damned childish and you know it. Tiller’s killer was a fundy Christian. The museum shooter was and old racist bastard. A small handful of people hardly represent a full half of the political spectrum. I hardly blame the entire left wing for the acts of the Unibomber. I don’t assume all of “the left” laughed and had parties while watching that movie where they assasinate Bush. You’ve got this cartoonish vision of your political enemies. In so doing you are never going to taken seriously.[quote]

Remember…the right blamed Clinton for 9/11.
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I didn’t, but I trust you would have blamed Bush Sr. for 9/11 had it happened under Clinton’s administration.[quote]

By the way:

Income tax = unavoidable

Cigarette tax = optional

Hence why I brought up income tax…it was implicit in Obama’s rhetoric that tax increase applied to income tax. I find connecting a tax increase to cigarette tax as disingenuous.
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I never took it that way. I always assume that when you say that your taxes aren’t going to go up, then your taxes aren’t going to go up. Obama never said income taxes. But assuming it is implicit, doesn’t it still seem alittle sleezy to talk about cutting income taxes while hiking up other taxes?

mike

JPCleary · September 21, 2009, 9:31am

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
What I understand about their anger is that it is fed by the misleading media. When people are told “Tiller is a killer” over and over, it begins to sink in. It sinks in and the act on what they “thought” was news.

I cannot defend, condone, or even comprehend why someone thinks it is a good idea to bring an automatic rifle to an Obama Rally.
[/quote]

Oh the irony of this post is just painful…

What I understand is that the left wing MSM falsely reported that this guy’s civilian, semi-automatic AR-15 was an “Automatic Rifle” over and over, and it began to sink in. It sank in and now you acted on what you “thought” was news and posted it as fact here in this thread.

Mufasa · September 21, 2009, 12:30pm

I think we have to be careful in fooling ourselves that everyone at these rallies are benevolent, law abiding, “every guy and gal” with their Patriotic Spirit suddenly awakened.

There are racist (yes…contrary to popular belief, it still exist), neo-nazis, skin-heads and a mixture of violent mal-contents and riff-raff who both literally and figuratively have the President in their cross-hairs.

I do NOT think that they are the majority…but they are there.

Mufasa

bigflamer · September 21, 2009, 12:43pm

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t know what you guys were watching, I saw plenty of minorities interviewed, yes on FOX. Including one woman who was an Obama delegate during the primaries.

And to Mufasa, I’m disappointed in you. The horrible sign in question read “Bury Obamacare with Kennedy”, not Obama himself. You do make a good point about what happens even if the GOP were to regain control tomorrow. They started some good work in the 90’s and really lost their way when they picked up the whitehouse. I’m not too hopeful either, but it’s very tough to imagine anything they can muster being worse than this.

One thing people have to come to grips with is that the military is not in the same classification as social spending. Military spending is actually mandated in our founding documents and regardless of what our local anarchists might delude themselves into believing, the common defense can ONLY be effectively accomplished by a government unless you’re in Sierra Leone.

Even during the revolution, as rag tag as the continental army was it was still continental with a central command structure and salaries paid through congress.

This idiotic attempt at equating these life and money sucking “entitlement” programs with the military on the basis that they both require funding is both dangerous and betrays a fundamental misapprehension of what this nation was all about.

One is mandated and more necessary than ever and the other was plucked from the imaginations of power hungry pseudo do gooders in what’s been a very successful campaign to create an eternal voting block.[/quote]

Good post. The lack of constitutional understanding in this country is staggering to say the least. I get damned tired of hearing folks espouse over simplified bullshit like “government all bad”, or “government all good”. This is intellectual failure. The fire dept., police dept., and library; their all local government run. I’ll repeat that for the slow folks; LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS!!

THe founding fathers established a system of government that was supposed to be extremely limited at the federal level. Our government was established in this manner for a reason. We need to severely shorten the leash of the federal government, and reempower government at the local level. George Washington nailed it when he said:

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force.
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

If we could limit the federal government to what is EXPLICITLY allowed in the constitution, we would be so much farther ahead. We need to put the feds on a much tighter leash IMHO. I would challenge one of T-Nation’s resident liberals to present a federal program that has been successful. I’ll give you a hint, it sure as hell isn’t social security or medicaid.

Empower local government, severely limit the power of the feds, 'nuff said.

Sloth · September 21, 2009, 12:48pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I think we have to be careful in fooling ourselves that everyone at these rallies are benevolent, law abiding, “every guy and gal” with their Patriotic Spirit suddenly awakened.

There are racist (yes…contrary to popular belief, it still exist), neo-nazis, skin-heads and a mixture of violent mal-contents and riff-raff who both literally and figuratively have the President in their cross-hairs.

I do NOT think that they are the majority…but they are there.

Mufasa[/quote]

Fine. As long as they keep it peaceful.

Gambit_Lost · September 21, 2009, 12:52pm

Speaking of the tea parties… Fox producer rallied tea party protesters - - POLITICO.com

Turns out a fox news producer was caught on tape rallying a crowd at the tea party.

Mufasa · September 21, 2009, 1:32pm

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t know what you guys were watching, I saw plenty of minorities interviewed, yes on FOX. Including one woman who was an Obama delegate during the primaries.

And to Mufasa, I’m disappointed in you. The horrible sign in question read “Bury Obamacare with Kennedy”, not Obama himself. You do make a good point about what happens even if the GOP were to regain control tomorrow. They started some good work in the 90’s and really lost their way when they picked up the whitehouse. I’m not too hopeful either, but it’s very tough to imagine anything they can muster being worse than this.

One thing people have to come to grips with is that the military is not in the same classification as social spending. Military spending is actually mandated in our founding documents and regardless of what our local anarchists might delude themselves into believing, the common defense can ONLY be effectively accomplished by a government unless you’re in Sierra Leone.

Even during the revolution, as rag tag as the continental army was it was still continental with a central command structure and salaries paid through congress.

This idiotic attempt at equating these life and money sucking “entitlement” programs with the military on the basis that they both require funding is both dangerous and betrays a fundamental misapprehension of what this nation was all about.

One is mandated and more necessary than ever and the other was plucked from the imaginations of power hungry pseudo do gooders in what’s been a very successful campaign to create an eternal voting block.

Good post. The lack of constitutional understanding in this country is staggering to say the least. I get damned tired of hearing folks espouse over simplified bullshit like “government all bad”, or “government all good”. This is intellectual failure. The fire dept., police dept., and library; their all local government run. I’ll repeat that for the slow folks; LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS!!

THe founding fathers established a system of government that was supposed to be extremely limited at the federal level. Our government was established in this manner for a reason. We need to severely shorten the leash of the federal government, and reempower government at the local level. George Washington nailed it when he said:

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force.
Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

If we could limit the federal government to what is EXPLICITLY allowed in the constitution, we would be so much farther ahead. We need to put the feds on a much tighter leash IMHO. I would challenge one of T-Nation’s resident liberals to present a federal program that has been successful. I’ll give you a hint, it sure as hell isn’t social security or medicaid.

Empower local government, severely limit the power of the feds, 'nuff said.

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BF:

I’m glad you posted this…because I would like to know your (and others) response to an important question:

What is the Federal Governments responsibility in assuring individual rights and freedoms?

(I’ll start another thread).

Mufasa

bigflamer · September 21, 2009, 1:41pm

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t know what you guys were watching, I saw plenty of minorities interviewed, yes on FOX. Including one woman who was an Obama delegate during the primaries.