[quote]Jewbacca says: Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon: you may play chess masterfully, but all the pigeon will do is knock over the piece, shit on the board, and strut around like they are the victor.[/quote]LOLOLOL!!!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
It is hard to debate with intellect like this 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to point out the name of the thread "Taxes Went Up and Who’s Fault Is It? "
Obama’s plan would have raised taxes on the top 2% .
After the Republicans finish their negotiation taxes go up on the middle class.
How is tax code going to have anything to do with this scenario.
You people act as though because Beans has special expertise in tax code that he understands all . I beg to differ beans Knows tax code at least more than I do, I will not argue
The discussion changed from taxes and who’s fault it is to tax code and they are not synonymous .
And then the course of the CJS bringing nothing to the table but white noise
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But Obama never really put any energy into trying to avert the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, so at least that bump is partially on him.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to point out the name of the thread "Taxes Went Up and Who’s Fault Is It? "
Obama’s plan would have raised taxes on the top 2% .
After the Republicans finish their negotiation taxes go up on the middle class.
How is tax code going to have anything to do with this scenario.
You people act as though because Beans has special expertise in tax code that he understands all . I beg to differ beans Knows tax code at least more than I do, I will not argue
The discussion changed from taxes and who’s fault it is to tax code and they are not synonymous .
And then the course of the CJS bringing nothing to the table but white noise
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Allow me to translate this to English for you:
[quote]pittbull didn’t write, but tried to say:
I started a thread so I can try and turn Obama’s lie into the GOP’s fault, even though there is zero factual evidence to support my claims, because neither party mentioned the payroll tax holiday. But don’t worry, god forbid the GOP do anything right, so just like a vast majority of the media in this country, I will try and spin this to keep loard and savior Obama from being taken to task for his lying.
I then proceeded to spit out a bunch of class warfare garbage nonsense and was called on it, so now I’m just going to be clear in that all I wanted to do was turn this around and try and attack one party, because my party is above reproach.[/quote]
[quote]smh23 wrote:
But Obama never really put any energy into trying to avert the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, so at least that bump is partially on him.[/quote]
Thank you. Neither side wanted it extended, because it was a dumbass move in the first place.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
But Obama never really put any energy into trying to avert the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, so at least that bump is partially on him.[/quote]
Thank you. Neither side wanted it extended, because it was a dumbass move in the first place.[/quote]
Obama’s plan raised taxes on millionaires The Republicans wanted to negotiate . It had to be the Republican proposal that the middle class suck it up
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate? [/quote]
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate? [/quote]
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That has nothing to do with what I typed. Also that makes sense.
If you get a 10% cut across the board it would look like this:
Taxable Income: Tax benefit:
100K 10K
50K 5K
30K 3K
10K 1K
So the more you make, i.e. top 1% get’s largest cut. And that’s assuming a flat rate, which it isn’t. Doesn’t matter, the top 1% still pays more in taxes in real dollars.
Person A makes 100K @ 28%: Tax liability = $28,000
Person B makes 30K @ 15%: Tax liability = $ 4,500
Taxes cut 5% across the board
Person A makes 100K @ 23%: Tax liability = $23,000
Person B makes 30K @ 10%: Tax liability = $ 3,000
Person A saves 5,000
Person B saves 1,500
Person A still pays 20,000 more a year in real dollars to IRS.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
But Obama never really put any energy into trying to avert the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, so at least that bump is partially on him.[/quote]
Thank you. Neither side wanted it extended, because it was a dumbass move in the first place.[/quote]
Obama’s plan raised taxes on millionaires The Republicans wanted to negotiate . It had to be the Republican proposal that the middle class suck it up
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Good lord… Okay let me try and explain this:
a) Obama wanted to raise income taxes on people making more the 200/250k.
The GOP wanted to raise income taxes on no one.
b) Obama didn’t push, plan or speak at lenght abotu keeping the payroll tax holiday.
The GOP didn’t push, plan or speak at lenght abotu keeping the payroll tax holiday.
c) Obama promised taxes wouldn’t go up on anyone making less than 200/250k.
Taxes went up, in the form of allowing the payroll tax holiday to expire, therefore Obama lied.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate? [/quote]
No it started under Bam. Was supposed to laspe 12/31/11, and was extended to 12/31/12.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate? [/quote]
No it started under Bam. Was supposed to laspe 12/31/11, and was extended to 12/31/12.[/quote]
Oh okay, thanks for the info.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Phil Mickelson got demonized for considering leaving California for being taxed to death.
Between state and Fed taxes, he stands to lose 62% of his income.
Who the fuck would give that kind of money to these government pigs ?[/quote]
I thought Phil lived over here ?
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He is considering AZ as a move, maybe Vegas or Florida, Texas Governor Rick Perry formally invited him to move.
Tiger Woods admitted that taxes were why he left California, and moved to Florida.
Just to give you an idea of how bad this is, I believe I read that Phil makes $45 Million per year, which means he loses almost $7 Million (that’s from the state alone, not counting Feds). If he moves to any of the states I mentioned (except Arizona which still has much friendlier tax rates), he stands to keep that $7 Million.
I am not a hater of someone who made their wealth from whatever skill they have. Trust and believe that anyone who bitches about people paying their fair share were making the money Phil makes, they would be looking for tax loopholes too.
Are you telling me that these rich fucksticks, these Hollywood pussies, these Liberals throbbing weiners don’t look for and use any and all tax loopholes available ?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the payroll tax holiday started under Bush? If that’s the case then isn’t is correct to say that Bush lowered taxes on the Middle class and by allowing them to expire Obama didn’t actually raise taxes, but increased the tax liability of all classes via inaction (whether calculated or not).
Is that accurate? [/quote]
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That has nothing to do with what I typed. Also that makes sense.
If you get a 10% cut across the board it would look like this:
Taxable Income: Tax benefit:
100K 10K
50K 5K
30K 3K
10K 1K
So the more you make, i.e. top 1% get’s largest cut. And that’s assuming a flat rate, which it isn’t. Doesn’t matter, the top 1% still pays more in taxes in real dollars. [/quote]
Oh god, you are using math. Liberals everywhere will foam at the mouth at thsi post, because without the “bush’s fault” talking points, they sorta lose steam.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[I swear to god, my friends…who include that scamp FightingIrish…are STILL blaming Bush for shit.
For serious.[/quote]
And doing so erodes their credibility.
No different than the people on the right blaming FDR or LBJ.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I have to point out the name of the thread "Taxes Went Up and Who’s Fault Is It? "
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And I believe just about ever posting has tried to explain this to you. Let’s try this…
When Bush was in office they sent out lump sum checks. About $500 per individual if I remember correctly. When Obama took office thet decided that when people get a lump sum they were more likely to pay down debt or increase savings rather than spend it on new shit. They decided rather than send out a lump sum check, they would give people a little more in each check so they would be more likely spend it. The policy was originally set to expire last year, but an extension was negotiated until this year.
This has nothing to do with tax rates increasing/returning to pre-Bush rates. Obama wanted to restore the pre-Bush rates on incomes over 250,000. What was negotiated was to restore those rates to incomes above 400,000. If they would have restored the pre-Bush rates to everyone, your taxes would have increased a great deal more. [1,500 - 2,200 a year]
Two totally different things.
USMC and Beans,
Pardon me for looking in on your convo, but the both of you are missing the takeaway message that Libs hate.
It is not about how much someone is taxed, but how much someone is taking away after taxes that upsets them.
Person A is still walking away with $77k, that is why he is the devil.
Person B is walking away with $27k, which is why he will vote Dem.
Dems will hate Person A because he is coming away with so much more, when in reality he started out making so much more. Perhaps those who make so little should have planned their lives better than to get a job making $30k a year.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
USMC and Beans,
Pardon me for looking in on your convo, but the both of you are missing the takeaway message that Libs hate.
It is not about how much someone is taxed, but how much someone is taking away after taxes that upsets them.
Person A is still walking away with $77k, that is why he is the devil.
Person B is walking away with $27k, which is why he will vote Dem.
Dems will hate Person A because he is coming away with so much more, when in reality he started out making so much more. Perhaps those who make so little should have planned their lives better than to get a job making $30k a year. [/quote]
Envy is unfortunately strong in this country. It’s sad reality. If we could just replace envy with admiration people would aspire to and reach better lives for themselves and their families.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
But Obama never really put any energy into trying to avert the expiration of the payroll tax holiday, so at least that bump is partially on him.[/quote]
Thank you. Neither side wanted it extended, because it was a dumbass move in the first place.[/quote]
Obama’s plan raised taxes on millionaires The Republicans wanted to negotiate . It had to be the Republican proposal that the middle class suck it up
[/quote]
Good lord… Okay let me try and explain this:
a) Obama wanted to raise income taxes on people making more the 200/250k.
The GOP wanted to raise income taxes on no one.
b) Obama didn’t push, plan or speak at lenght abotu keeping the payroll tax holiday.
The GOP didn’t push, plan or speak at lenght abotu keeping the payroll tax holiday.
c) Obama promised taxes wouldn’t go up on anyone making less than 200/250k.
Taxes went up, in the form of allowing the payroll tax holiday to expire, therefore Obama lied.
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No one wanted to raise taxes but if we want to balance the budget it is a necessity Obama was going to raise taxes of the top 2% the negotiation resulted a pretty sizable increase for the middle class.
A side note where is lamb chop complaining about your spelling , it is atrocious That is one way I know I am not a meber of the CJS