Tax Exemption for the Disabled Who Choose to Work

[quote]4est wrote:
Sloth wrote:

So you want to be rewarded for doing the right thing? …

No - I’m not asking for a reward. I’m asking to not be penalized for doing the right thing.[/quote]

Aren’t the parents of an intact home, working, clothing and feeding, and sending their own children through school and college doing the right thing?

The rest of us aren’t doing the right thing by working, not breaking the law, and paying our own way through life? Could we expand this drive to include every working man and woman in the country?

[quote]4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence.[/quote]

By definition, it is a privilege.

[quote]4est wrote:
Sloth wrote:

So you want to be rewarded for doing the right thing? …

No - I’m not asking for a reward. I’m asking to not be penalized for doing the right thing.

Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence.[/quote]

You are not penalized.

The way I see it you want a cookie because you decide not to mooch off of other people.

Now I do grant you that you could easily abuse the system and that your idea would even make economic sense in the system you describe, but that is mainly because the system sucks.

If the tax system were to favor a specific people group, it would have to screw at least one other group.

Is the above statement true?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Sloth wrote:

So you want to be rewarded for doing the right thing? …

No - I’m not asking for a reward. I’m asking to not be penalized for doing the right thing.

Aren’t the parents of an intact home, working, clothing and feeding, and sending their own children through school and college doing the right thing?

The rest of us aren’t doing the right thing by working, not breaking the law, and paying our own way through life? Could we expand this drive to include every working man and woman in the country?[/quote]

No one is asking for a reward, and yes those parents are doing the right thing. But you fail to understand what it takes for a disabled person to live on a daily basis. But obviously you and a few other posters of this thread need to either experience for yourself to understand or be around the disabled personally to see what they have to go through.

Lots of disabled people don’t even expect to get something like a tax exempt. They’d like it if it’s there but most wouldn’t fight for it.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Disabled people who can and choose to work. Otherwise, why would a tax exemption be attractive?

Why shouldn’t the disabled who choose to work get an exemption?

Because we pay taxes to fund a huge government.

And what’s it to you that a disabled person is getting a tax exemption and you aren’t.
What’s it to you that I pay taxes? You don’t mind I can also be exempt, do you?

In fact it would benefit you cause by them working and getting that exemption not as much would be taking from you in your taxes.

Yes, because those who actually could work, but lived on the government tit were just waiting for a tax emption. I seriously doubt an unmotivated person would be jumping into an income bracket where he’d have much if any taxes to worry about. Hell, they’d probably qualify for Obama’s tax “credit.”

There is a way for most disabled people to work, however it can be hard for many to find a job in the first place, depends on the disablity, but is hard enough getting around anyway. Plus if a disabled person is not “draining” your tax dollars by choosing to work then you would be benefiting from this as much as the one who is tax exempt.

The question should be, why are we providing people who can work, but choose not to, incentive to do just that. That doesn’t piss you off?

The disabled collecting SSI that aren’t working, don’t pay taxes for that so the only thing that would change is that there would be less taxes taken out to support their SSI
monthly income.

So less people to shoulder the burden off SSI? I’m not exactly seeing huge surpluses as it is.
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It’s because you fail to use your head. You immediately are jumping to conclusions that you are being fucked over which you aren’t. You are pissed cause you feel that a working disabled person could get a tax break isn’t fair. Well being disabled and dealing with the daily obstacles and assholes isn’t fair either.

You fail to see that even though a disabled person is working tax free, you aren’t having anything taking out of yours cause SSI would be paying out less. And if the obvious abusers of the system can be prevented from getting benefits then thats even better.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege. [/quote]

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

[quote]orion wrote:
4est wrote:
Sloth wrote:

So you want to be rewarded for doing the right thing? …

No - I’m not asking for a reward. I’m asking to not be penalized for doing the right thing.

Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence.

You are not penalized.

The way I see it you want a cookie because you decide not to mooch off of other people.

Now I do grant you that you could easily abuse the system and that your idea would even make economic sense in the system you describe, but that is mainly because the system sucks.
[/quote]

Everyone who pays taxes is penalized, deep down we all know this.

[quote]jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege.

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

[/quote]

Yes, Jayski, I park in handicap parking spots. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

[quote]jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Disabled people who can and choose to work. Otherwise, why would a tax exemption be attractive?

Why shouldn’t the disabled who choose to work get an exemption?

Because we pay taxes to fund a huge government.

And what’s it to you that a disabled person is getting a tax exemption and you aren’t.
What’s it to you that I pay taxes? You don’t mind I can also be exempt, do you?

In fact it would benefit you cause by them working and getting that exemption not as much would be taking from you in your taxes.

Yes, because those who actually could work, but lived on the government tit were just waiting for a tax emption. I seriously doubt an unmotivated person would be jumping into an income bracket where he’d have much if any taxes to worry about. Hell, they’d probably qualify for Obama’s tax “credit.”

There is a way for most disabled people to work, however it can be hard for many to find a job in the first place, depends on the disablity, but is hard enough getting around anyway. Plus if a disabled person is not “draining” your tax dollars by choosing to work then you would be benefiting from this as much as the one who is tax exempt.

The question should be, why are we providing people who can work, but choose not to, incentive to do just that. That doesn’t piss you off?

The disabled collecting SSI that aren’t working, don’t pay taxes for that so the only thing that would change is that there would be less taxes taken out to support their SSI
monthly income.

So less people to shoulder the burden off SSI? I’m not exactly seeing huge surpluses as it is.

It’s because you fail to use your head. You immediately are jumping to conclusions that you are being fucked over which you aren’t. You are pissed cause you feel that a working disabled person could get a tax break isn’t fair. Well being disabled and dealing with the daily obstacles and assholes isn’t fair either.

You fail to see that even though a disabled person is working tax free, you aren’t having anything taking out of yours cause SSI would be paying out less. And if the obvious abusers of the system can be prevented from getting benefits then thats even better.
[/quote]

Uh, no. The implication is that there’s a ton of handicap twiddling their thumbs refusing to work until they’re exempt. I’ve known a near quadriplegic (not sure how else to put it) working in an architectural office the same hours as anyone else. Did he lay around waiting for a special tax break? For your, “fair?”

No, I’m supposed to believe these folks, who could work now but refuse to, would move into income brackest in which they’d actually pay some taxes, instead of recieving a tax credit? These unmotivated, “I’m owed something,” individuals? I seriously doubt it.

And, just how much would these people need to earn, and save in taxes, to equal SSI and whatever else they may be eligible for, to light a fire under their ass? Just what tax bracket would they have to fall under, before those who refuse to work now, would be motivated to work?

Instead of tax exemption, we need to be wondering why we’re subsidizing people who could work, yet want to sit around until they get a pat on the head.

And, by the way. Please stop treating all handicap people, who are working, like children waiting for you to make life more fair. Treat them like working adults and equal citizens, for crying out loud.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege.

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

Yes, Jayski, I park in handicap parking spots. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.[/quote]

Was only being sarcastic, but sorry if I apparantly hurt your feelings.

[quote]jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege.

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

Yes, Jayski, I park in handicap parking spots. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

Was only being sarcastic, but sorry if I apparantly hurt your feelings.

[/quote]

My feeling are so scarred and calloused from real mental and emotional trauma that your barbs have no chance in piercing through to the tender tissue.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Disabled people who can and choose to work. Otherwise, why would a tax exemption be attractive?

Why shouldn’t the disabled who choose to work get an exemption?

Because we pay taxes to fund a huge government.

And what’s it to you that a disabled person is getting a tax exemption and you aren’t.
What’s it to you that I pay taxes? You don’t mind I can also be exempt, do you?

In fact it would benefit you cause by them working and getting that exemption not as much would be taking from you in your taxes.

Yes, because those who actually could work, but lived on the government tit were just waiting for a tax emption. I seriously doubt an unmotivated person would be jumping into an income bracket where he’d have much if any taxes to worry about. Hell, they’d probably qualify for Obama’s tax “credit.”

There is a way for most disabled people to work, however it can be hard for many to find a job in the first place, depends on the disablity, but is hard enough getting around anyway. Plus if a disabled person is not “draining” your tax dollars by choosing to work then you would be benefiting from this as much as the one who is tax exempt.

The question should be, why are we providing people who can work, but choose not to, incentive to do just that. That doesn’t piss you off?

The disabled collecting SSI that aren’t working, don’t pay taxes for that so the only thing that would change is that there would be less taxes taken out to support their SSI
monthly income.

So less people to shoulder the burden off SSI? I’m not exactly seeing huge surpluses as it is.

It’s because you fail to use your head. You immediately are jumping to conclusions that you are being fucked over which you aren’t. You are pissed cause you feel that a working disabled person could get a tax break isn’t fair. Well being disabled and dealing with the daily obstacles and assholes isn’t fair either.

You fail to see that even though a disabled person is working tax free, you aren’t having anything taking out of yours cause SSI would be paying out less. And if the obvious abusers of the system can be prevented from getting benefits then thats even better.

Uh, no. The implication is that there’s a ton of handicap twiddling their thumbs refusing to work until they’re exempt. I’ve known a near quadriplegic (not sure how else to put it) working in an architectural office the same hours as anyone else. Did he lay around waiting for a special tax break? For your, “fair?”

No, I’m supposed to believe these folks, who could work now but refuse to, would move into income brackest in which they’d actually pay some taxes, instead of recieving a tax credit? These unmotivated, “I’m owed something,” individuals? I seriously doubt it.

And, just how much would these people need to earn, and save in taxes, to equal SSI and whatever else they may be eligible for, to light a fire under their ass? Just what tax bracket would they have to fall under, before those who refuse to work now, would be motivated to work?

Instead of tax exemption, we need to be wondering why we’re subsidizing people who could work, yet want to sit around until they get a pat on the head.

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Again, you obviously are misreading my posts or not understanding what I’m saying. Yes Sloth, every single disabled person has a count down on the calandar for when they can fuck the system by finally working.

It’s all a mass conspiracy. I never once mentioned those “unmotivated individiuals” should get a tax exemption, in fact I believe I’ve already made my point with that. But I will say it again, just like your near quad friend, many want to make a living without having to depend on SSI.

And like your friend, who is obviously the type of disabled person I’m talking about, he probably doesn’t even give two shits or not if he gets tax exempt. In fact, he’s probably against it, or would say cool if he gets it, or so what if he doesn’t.

Lot of disabled people do not “sit around”, as I keep saying, they want a living too. I just feel that them having a tax exemption for it is fine by me.

I give up. You win. Not a debate I’m interested in enough to keep going in circles.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
And, by the way. Please stop treating all handicap people, who are working, like children waiting for you to make life more fair. Treat them like working adults and equal citizens, for crying out loud.[/quote]

I am treating the handicap like people, in fact I do what I can to make them feel just differently-abled but I’m not going to carry on like they’re some burden to society that has keep being reminded by people like yourself that life isn’t fair.

Trust me, they know it. The handicap have a harder life than you you realize and so what if I have empathy for that.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege.

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

Yes, Jayski, I park in handicap parking spots. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

Was only being sarcastic, but sorry if I apparantly hurt your feelings.

My feeling are so scarred and calloused from real mental and emotional trauma that your barbs have no chance in piercing through to the tender tissue.[/quote]

Bummer

I don’t get it. If you don’t want to pay taxes why are you working?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
jayski wrote:
Sloth wrote:
4est wrote:
Your thinking is as flawed as people who believe wheelchair parking spaces are a privilege, when they are actually part of a life sentence

By definition, it is a privilege.

You must be one of those who parks in a handicapped spot aren’t you? Everyday people want a handicapped sticker while a handicapped person who needs it, hates the fact that they have it.

Yes, Jayski, I park in handicap parking spots. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

Was only being sarcastic, but sorry if I apparantly hurt your feelings.

My feeling are so scarred and calloused from real mental and emotional trauma that your barbs have no chance in piercing through to the tender tissue.[/quote]

Bummer

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I give up. You win. Not a debate I’m interested in enough to keep going in circles.[/quote]

Wasn’t interesting in winning at anything, I have my opinion, you have yours and we can obviously agree to disagree.