Lol. Really pointing out me ignoring that point when you gloss over all the “the right cares about kids and personal responsibility stuff?” Honestly I didn’t think it was worthy of response but here goes:
So the reason to take away a women’s right to choice is because it would give Democrats a majority? That makes absolutely zero sense. No reason to think 100% of non aborted babies vote Democrat anymore than thinking 100% of women who get abortions do. Again I live in Kansas and I’m sure girls have snuck off to get an abortion and then voted for Trump later on in life.
The government doesn’t have to pay for extra babies. It totally makes sense to have a 14 year old in Mississippi who gets pregnant drop out and work a minimum wage job to support that baby for the rest of her life. You going to force baby Daddy to stay? What’s the plan if the child is born with special needs? And better hope you’re not in one of the conservative states that fought against medicaid expansion when so many kids depend on it (4 out of 10). What if that 14 year old gets in a car accident and becomes paralyzed?
What could go wrong with forcing more women to have babies that are unwanted? i’m sure that works out great for all the limitless potential of kids. And if all that why can’t you work stuff always worked out why did any of these programs exist in the first place? Why does Ben Carson credit them with helping him in his childhood?
A weaker form of sex ed (abstinence only education) is taught in conservative religious states. The states with the highest teenage pregnancy. Why do they teach this still? Sex before marriage is a sin or blah blah Jesus.
Condoms are free at planned parenthood? You mean the place that the right constantly says is evil and wants to defund? Of course the religious right isn’t telling people to get knocked up. They are just fighting against all the things that prevent it. You’re talking about a group that vilifies contraception use. Of course this is a significant part of the reason that the states with the most conservative tilt lead the country in teenage pregnancy. Because they don’t have personal responsibility apparently! When your society has constantly told you that contraceptive use is a sin of course you’re going to avoid it. You’re young and impressionable and just want to make sure you aren’t burning in hell for eternity.
As a third party who is catching up on this thread’s unique turn, you’re usually a very intelligent poster but I don’t see how you got that conclusion from what @H_factor was saying.
Contraceptives work in preventing unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence pledges and programs do not work. Regardless of whether you are pro-life or pro-choice, I would think having less unwanted pregnancies would be a good thing, and therefore there would be bi-partisan support for contraceptives.
There’s too much Jesus pandering in Congress to ever expect that to be the case. Throw in the “fuck the Dems and everything they touch” mentality that Repubs in Congress seem to have and it’s gonna take some generational death of old white guys to change BC.
It has been shown that sex ed works. States like Texas, which aren’t as pro sex-ed have higher rates of teen pregnancy. If it works, what is the problem with having it?
Also, why do you place this “lib” label on the issue? You have swallowed the tribalist bait of assuming moral superiority. As if conservatives and the religious right are as virtuous as they claim to be. We only need to look at reality to know what they preach and how they live are not always the same thing. Also, in the case of teens, can we really blame political ideologies? I don’t think they make decisions based on their politics.
Bringing up Planned Parenthood’s virtues is funny since a certain party wants to get rid of it. I think you need to make up your mind on that one.
Is the religious right to blame? Teen birth rates are higher in the more religious states, is there a connection? Is it what they are saying or maybe…is it what they aren’t saying.
I just don’t see how a class in high school determines your behaviour on one of the most important decisions of your life. Not to mention abstinence only education always was and is a punchline, it doesn’t exist in public schools. I don’t know about you guys but we had to sit through gross pictures of VD and learn the success rates of all the BC. I went to a rural high school that graduated 90 kids/year. If you base all your life choices on your public school education and don’t think for yourself, shame on you.
@h_factor did claim that government or society is responsible for paying for BC, abortions or the children that result from the absence of abortions. I disagree.
Abstinence-only sex education now comprises 23 percent of sex education in the public schools the United States, up from 2 percent of the total in 1988, according to a survey of 4,000 seventh- to 12th-grade teachers by the Alan Guttmacher Institute survey, a non-profit health research organization in New York City and Washington D.C.
I, and I believe both my sisters, were taught abstinence only education in public school.
Didn’t really impact us much though. My dad isn’t a mouth breather so he (and my mom probably for my sisters) taught us real sex ed at home. Ultimately I still feel like it’s up to the parents. The system is going to constantly fail, it’s the parents job to pick up the slack.
In some states that is the case. In others, it is not.
I don’t think that is a productive way to view things. If something helps bring down unwanted pregnancies, what is your logic for being against it? Shame on the person all you want, clearly public school education does affect behavior.
I think there is more to it than sex-ed. I think there is a connection between states that don’t teach sex-ed and overall education of that population. In other words, it’s not simply that they are lacking in sex-ed but they are lacking in education in general.
Never said I was against sex ed. But blaming unsafe behaviour on public school policy (sex ed VS no sex ed) is absurd. If they can figure out where to put their privates, they can figure out BC.
Stone age tribes figured out that semen was a “seed” and that they should keep it away from the “fertile” areas if they wanted to avoid pregnancy.
Condoms have been around since the 1500s and ancient cultures used pessaries and diaphrams. This stuff isn’t that complicated in 2017.
You don’t see the incongruities in your post? So they need to figure it out as in trial and error? In the meantime what happens? You say that sex ed doesn’t have a role yet say that kids should educate themselves (what does figure out mean?). You think learning on their own is preferable and/or more effective than learning from adults in school?
This needs to be noted. You received sex-ed which included birth control and I assume you didn’t have an unwanted pregnancy. But then you seem to diminish the role of education in your decision making. You cannot say, well you can say whatever you want, that the sex-ed you received didn’t have any influence on the choices you made.
How is educating people and giving them access to birth control the opposite of teaching and entrusting people with responsibility? These are the tools necessary to be a responsible person when it comes to sex.
Cmon man, that is not what I (or anybody else) is saying.
There is clear evidence that education helps make people make more informed decisions. In this case, that is sex education and unwanted (teen) pregnancies.
I get that you’re all for people being responsible for their own actions. So am I. That doesn’t conflict with people benefiting from being educated so they can make more informed decisions.
You assume that public school is the only source of information. Having sex is an adult decision with grave consequences if you do it wrong. If you are making adult decisions you should seek out your own information.
I already relented to your Marxist hivemind logic. The only information a kid could possibly get is from public school apparently.