You are confusing freedom, the negative right of self-determination, with freedom from consequences, the positive right of taking stuff from other people. Completely free and self determined has nothing to do with how well off a person is. There is no logical connection between the 2. With freedom you can choose to not work and starve to death or jump off a building to your death. If I freely choose to commit suicide, it means I’m less free? No. If I’m forced at gunpoint as a slave to work hard, be successful, and become wealthy, am I not free? Yes. Why on Earth are you equating success and freedom?
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You have a crappy culture that celebrates immoral celebrity idols. And then wonder why the masses think they these idols, and others, can afford to pay more in taxes for social safety nets after reading about how one of these idols loses a 4.5million dollar ring in a Paris robbery. When an accessory is worth more than multiple dozens of the masses worth.
Freedom from nature is the most coveted freedom.
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But again, who cares what they can afford? Is that the standard we are going to apply to taking stuff from people? You can afford to give me 500 bucks, so it’s alright if I take it from you? I’m not seeing how property rights are defined by what you can afford to lose.
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To a socialist, yes. And if that’s the definition you want to use, fine. Just stick with it. Your comparison drew false conclusions because you switched between definitions in your argument.
The ability to focus more on acting out as an individual is the most important freedom now. And that is best expressed when there is insurance against the consequences of nature (illness, starvation, pregnant, state of ignorance when education is in more demand) .
What are you talking about? I switched definitions? My point is that there is more than one definition. And that one definition is a hell of a lot more attractive to the populace as a whole.
No. If I jump off a bridge freedom doesn’t necessitate society catch me. You can chose to be stupid. In your freedom society stopping you with guns and violence from jumping is free. These 2 definitions are opposites. American constitutional freedom is the first.
Who cares what they can afford?! What? If we’re going to discuss taxes, we have to discuss where/who they’ll come from. And if we’re discussing that we’ll have to discuss what they can afford.
Yes, you switched definitions. And not just different definitions. they are different words that mean opposite things and happen to be pronounced the same. It’s really newspeak liberal nonsense where they literally re-defined the word to mean the opposite in an attempt to sell authoritarianism as “freedom”.
Okay, so to you property rights are defined by affordability of theft. Then answer my question. If you can afford to lose something, and I need it, it is then my right to violently take it from you?
We’re not talking about jumping off bridges. We’re talking about the blue collar worker whose child gets sick, and the doctor’s bills going into the 100,000 of thousands, while you’re moaning about a progressive tax system that puts a hamper on doing more recreational activities.
Nobody feels free being stuck with a child who can’t get health-care.
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Do you believe in the military?
Ok, I no longer support funding a military. Am I unfree because my taxes will still be collected at the same rate? Both require “confiscation by gunpoint.”
In fact, I also disagree with our court system. So why am I still paying the same amount on taxes? Shouldn’t I get some rebate due to opting out of support for our judicial system?
Oh, so now freedom is a feeling. And the feeling dictates rights. That’s interesting. A little fickle of a definition for my liking since anything that makes anyone feel free is now a right and anything that makes anyone not feel free can be suppressed.
why would I answer you if you won’t answer this now repeated question?
If I have all the water within traveling distance, and I refuse you, dehydrated and beginning to collapse, a drink…
Not even sure what your question is here.
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Oh, so now freedom is a feeling. [/quote]
Err, yes, of course it is.