By some kind of cycle I mean like a low dose steroid cycle followed by a pct. Just to see what it is like to have a higher t-level around 800 ng/dl, and how it would affect me, and the symptoms I am experiencing.
It seems mine LH levels are not so bad after all. Maybe AI or a serm is a better choice? I just want to feel how it is like to be “optimal” Or maybe all of this is just stupid thinking, I don’t know…do you think it is a bad idea?
Purechance,
no I have not tested for Thyroid antibodies or Thyroid Peroxidase, would not the t3/t4 levels be somewhat suspicious then?
Im not thinking of any permanent treatment plan. It would be the last resort.
i’ve just never heard of anyone with TSH under 1 with good ft4 and ft3 numbers. I’m just trying to make sense of it, but I don’t know much about Hashimotos or Graves.
So while my ft3 and ft4 levels are normal, there could be something else going on with my thyroid?
and if this where the case, could it be the reason behind the low T? Or are those two not related?
Thank you for the link. I will read and look into it.
I don’t know… truth be told, I have never seen anyone post any TSH results under 1 unless they were taking thyroid medications. Could be you just have an effecient system.
Ok. So ideal TSH and normal ft3, ft4 levels. Given this info, there could still be something wrong with the thyroid system? That is the whole concept of the thyroid-madness site you posted, right`?. I have not read up on it yet.
I don’t think my thyroid gland is enlarged. Definitely no goiter… Maybe a bit asymmetrical and lumpy. It is also sharp and pointy in-front. This is normal, yes?
I never eat any kind of sea food, or purposely use salt on my food. But if my iodine intake was really poor, would you not see it in the blood work? low thyroid activity, along with low thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine levels?
As for supplements, I have only used otc stuff like proteinpowder, bcaa, multivitamine, creatine etc.
Btw, what do you think of me asking my doctor to raise my t-levels? just for a short period of time to see how it affects me.
Your TT is not low enough for docs to do that. More so where you are. If your T levels were increased, you would definitely react.
When someone is iodine deficient, they can have high TSH that over time can overstimulate the thyroid, which can lead to abnormal tissue masses that can then create thyroid hormones independent of TSH levels. As those tissues develop, thyroid hormones can increase and TSH levels go down in response. Some will get TSH=0 and this can come with toxic thyroid levels.esthis apply to you? Maybe not, but good to be aware. I am aware because this happened to my SIL, she stopped taking salt when she started to cook for her sodium restricted grand mother [and rarely ate seafood]. She now has TSH of zero and has had some thyroid levels that surged and was in the hospital twice as a result. Thyroid is enlarged and lumpy.
Many are iodine deficient. That is why I ask.
The thyroid gland surrounds the voice box and none of the cartilage in that area is part of the thyroid. Ask your doc to check size and consistency of your thyroid. That is quite basic
Hypothyroidism can lower T levels. [And vice versa] If tR3 is elevated, one can have good fT3, fT4 and have hypo symptoms. Would that case lead to low T? I do not know. I don’t thing that there is any data for that. Note that otherwise, hypothyroidism and hypogonadism share a lot of symptoms.
I see. Good reading. I will have my doctor to check my thyroid gland.
But in a scenario where the thyroid was overstimulated due to iodine deficiency, would the thyroid then reverse the process and return to “normal”, if a iodine rich diet was followed?
Because when I was a little kid and up until I turned 17, I’ve had a very pore diet… At this time my bodyweight was around 120 pounds. And I never ate sea food.
Btw, do you know if peptides like ghrp-6 affect t-levels? I did a search on google, but no luck…
I have had patients namely female fitness competitors with TSH .3 and there total and free levels where below normal levels. This was due to the hormonal imbalances as well as other factors. TSH can be false normal because when the body is stressed the signal may be correct but the body response is not what it is suppose to be. I have seen this on number of occasions.
So I have taken my body temperature the last few days. I have been using a digital thermometer under my tongue, this should be accurate enough.
I found it hard to remember taking the measurements at specific times of the day, so I just did some at mostly random times.
Day one
06:00 - 95.18
13:30 - 94.46
19:30 - 95.72
Day two
06:00 - 95.36
15:00 - 95.18
22:00 - 94.28
Day three
06:00 - 96.8
15:00 - 94.1
23:30 - 96.62 (after training)
Day four
06:00 - 96.44
24:00 - 95.72
Day five
0600 - 96.62
If a mild form of hyperthyroidism was the case, would not my body temperature be higher?
I also read that if a resulting average body temperature of 97.52 or below, a low thyroid function may be indicated. Mine average body temperature was 95.54
I also did a iodine test. I smeared a nickel sized circle on my forearm and the absorption time was about two hours. I don’t think iodine deficiency is a problem, at least not atm.
Do you think I should get a new doctors appointment, have her feel my thyroid gland and request blood work for antibodies and peroxidase?
I agree with your conclusions. As I said above “If tR3 is elevated, one can have good fT3, fT4 and have hypo symptoms.” Which would be a state of low “functional T3”. Your low body temps are consistent with that possibility. rT3 data would resolve that.
I also did a iodine test. I smeared a nickel sized circle on my forearm and the absorption time was about two hours. I don’t think iodine deficiency is a problem, at least not atm.
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From what I have read, skin absorbtion under 4 hours indicates iodine deficiency. Some sites say if it is under 24 hours you have an iodine deficiency. Then again, I have read other sites that say the test is worthless.
Crap! you are right. “the color of the Tincture of Iodine completely disappeared in less than two hours. This indicates a severe iodine deficiency” Thank you for pointing this out.
I did the test again. This time I smeared the iodine on my biceps, the absorption time was around 4 hours. The first time I did the test, the iodine got absorbed in under 2 hours. Up until now, I have done the test 3 times within the last few days, maybe that is why the absorption time differs.
So if this kind of test matters it means I am iodine deficient, which then probably means I have been all my life. Because of this I am also assuming a possibility that my thyroid has been overstimulated, like KSman said above.
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I understand. Hardasnails, any thoughts on what could cause my low t-levels? Other then the things mentioned.[/quote]
As every patient I would have to look at several factors through proper examination in order to come have some idea. I spend most of the time with new patients probing them to find potential root cause or trigger for their symptoms. Stress does not do it for me, but what or why is that stress occuring what ever the cause or imbalance.