So you don’t think that pulling out of Iraq created ISIS? We left Sunni allies there to die also.
Ok, spell it out. Who’s on who’s side in this conflict? Kurds? Russia? Syria? Syrian rebels? ISIS? Iran? Turkey? US? Israel? Saudi Arabia? On who’s side will all these players fall?
Mind boggling.
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Kurds are being attacked by regular Turkish army and their Al Qaeda proxies. The purpose of the attack is the extermination of the Kurds, pure and simple as there is no military rationale for this incursion into Syria. The liberation of captured ISIS fighters is the secondary objective, as Saudi Arabia wants to rebuild their strength and use them to finish off Kurds, Yazidis and Arab Christians in Syria and them have them focus on the Shiites, first in Iraq and then to bring the fight to Iran.
https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1181957745861447686
The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results. The Kurds have repeatedly served the interests of Western powers (first Britain, then US) only to be spectacularly betrayed each time (pictured: Kurdish and Arab Christian volunteers in the British Army in Iraq in 1941 fighting off a Nazi organized Arab insurrection).
So, when facing annihilation by the Turkish/Saudi/ISIS coalition after the worst of the betrayals, they are planning a deal with the devil.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/12/politics/syrian-kurds-us-turkey-military-operation/index.html
“You have given up on us. You are leaving us to be slaughtered,” Gen. Mazloum Kobani Abdi told the Deputy Special Envoy to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS, William Roebuck, in a meeting Thursday, according to an internal US government readout that has been obtained exclusively by CNN.
“You are not willing to protect the people, but you do not want another force to come and protect us. You have sold us. This is immoral,” Mazloum added.
He insisted the US either help stop the Turkish attack or allow the Syrian Democratic Forces to strike a deal with the Assad regime in Damascus and their Russian backers, allowing Russian warplanes to enforce a no-fly zone over northeast Syria, thereby denying Turkey the ability to carry out airstrikes. The US does not want the Kurds turning to the Russians, administration officials say.
“I need to know if you are capable of protecting my people, of stopping these bombs falling on us or not. I need to know, because if you’re not, I need to make a deal with Russia and the regime now and invite their planes to protect this region,” Mazloum said.
What does that mean? It means that Donald J. Trump will be remembered as someone who single handedly resurrected the Russian Empire, as under his watch Russian soldiers are stationed from Syria through Central African Republic to Venezuela at almost no financial nor political cost to Putin.
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Did they help during the Revolution? If not fuck em!
/sarcasm
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Speaking of the Revolution and that Arnold guy, isn’t exposing US troops to mortal danger in exchange for financial gain from a foreign country at least treason-ish?
I’m not a legal expert so I’m just throwing this out there…
Russians gloating inside a hastily abandoned US compound in northern Syria
#Syria #EasternEuphrates#Russia|ns inside the #US base in #Manbij abandoned this morning.
— MrRevinsky (@Kyruer) October 15, 2019
Part 1 https://t.co/ZBXyEPvyAj pic.twitter.com/PyxyEoWKVG
What effect does this have on your personal life?
Me personally? Pretty much non existent. I’d say about the same as Benghazis effect on your personal life.
You could have just not responded if you didn’t want to discuss it further.
Okay…
Can you explain this turn of recent events, @loppar?
“Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he will refuse to meet with Vice President Mike Pence, who is due to travel to Turkey to argue for a ceasefire in the ongoing Syria conflict.”
On Tuesday, Erdogan vowed that he would not declare a ceasefire in northeast Syria.
“They say ‘declare a ceasefire’. We will never declare a ceasefire,” Erdogan told reporters after a visit to Azerbaijan.
“They are pressuring us to stop the operation. They are announcing sanctions. Our goal is clear. We are not worried about any sanctions,” he added.
Okay…color me “confused”, @loppar.
What exactly did we expect Erdogan to do once the U.S. pulled out of Syria?
Also…why the call for a ceasefire this soon after the U.S. was pulled out?
How much is Putin actually calling the shots in this part of the World?
Again…color me confused.
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Why? Erdogan got everything he wanted from Trump and can openly humiliate high ranking US officials knowing that the narcissist in charge will love that.
He’s calling the shots in Washington. Putin “helpfully explained” to Trump the political situation and what steps he should take during the Helsinki summit. This is the fallout from that meeting.
Russian troops jubilantly rampaging through hurriedly evacuated US bases and ISIS and AQ fighters torturing and killing Kurdish civilians.
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Ouch…!
I find it strange that the United States pulling out of a place an ocean away, and of little benefit or danger to it, is seen as Putin calling the shots in Washington. The U.S. being over there should be seen as the U.S. calling the shots in Europe. If the U.S. pulling out was the result of Putin calling the shots, maybe he should call them more often…seems better than our neocons doing it.
Pulse nightclub? San Bernardino? 9/11? ISIS successes on the battlefield were a proof to the crazies that their Caliphate was preordained by Allah and theologically grappled with last year’s defeats.
Trump’s intervention to resurrect ISIS will be seen as a sign from Allah himself that their death cult is on the right track and will in turn motivate deranged psychopaths, including recent converts, everywhere. A wall on the Mexican border won’t stop such individuals.
Also, the “pulling out troops” argument is bullshit as Trump is sending troops to Saudi Arabia at the same time.
So the next time you’re wondering why everyone in the Middle East is “crazy” and fret over headscarves and whatnot, remember that US helped kill of all socialists, secular and pro-Western people in the ME.
Don’t worry, it’s going to continue with the current POTUS.
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Was that ISIS? I thought that was al-Quaeda.
Good point. We should pull out of the entire region.
Definitely a problem. See above.
Trust me: I don’t wonder why people want us out of their business. I don’t consider them crazy.
Oh well. Maybe the U.S. will start listening to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson one of these days.
Jefferson and Washington are dead.
You’d be surprised, but islamic terrorist death cults have an overlap in terms of personnel.
But you won’t, you’ll send more troops to Saudi Arabia and start a war if MBS sends enough cash to Trump.
Again, these isolationist fantasies aren’t happening because Trump is committed to do Putin’s and MBS bidding.
This Thomas Jefferson?
Yes. You’d think it obvious, but the last lot of years in U.S. foreign policy say otherwise.
Yep. It will be a poor decision, but there we’ll be.
What about every other President and legitimate candidate for the last many years? If you’re looking for someone to defend interventionist policies and being the World Police, look elsewhere.
Yes. Other than the fact that it involves non-Americans(as any non-civil war involving Americans will), I see pretty much no similarities between that and today’s nation building ventures. Freeing captured merchants seems a bit different from installing rulers in other countries.
Neocon “Nation building” occurred Iraq and Aghanistan.
US involvement in the Kurdish part of Syria was a token military presence to prevent the Turks from freeing 20k ISIS head choppers and killing thousands of Kurdish civilians.
But apparently, ISIS aren’t the bad guys anymore per POTUS:
WHY DIDN’T ANYONE TELL ME!?!?!