Swift Boat Vets - 3 Years Too Late!

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]JeffR wrote:

bota,

As we’ve established, you have a hard enough time with recent austrian history (Seems like a relatively straightforward subject–nazi’s invade friendly austria. austria committs mass murders. America saves austria. Troops in austria to keep them peaceful. America leaves. austria goes into massive denial) without trying to discuss ours.

As usual, you are way off.

bill “I was against the Iraq War from the beginning” clinton was CALLED TO DUTY. He wrote a letter from England REFUSING TO SERVE.

Big difference between that and flying fighter jets.

Man, I should get paid to educate you.

JeffR
[/quote]

I allways liked Clinton. Now I love him.

You cannot seriously score more points with me than refusing to be enslaved to kill people in a war you do not believe in.

I guess it is better if Daddy can hide you in the National Guard.

Well, Billies Daddy couldn´t so he had to work his way up himself.

That is why he has wicked skills and George cannot even say a straight sentence into a camera.

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In that case, Pickens should continue to demand all the records Kerry has up to now refused to release, or that Kerry identify the lie in question… Things one would think Kerry would have done already if those facts put him in a better light…

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:

bota,

As we’ve established, you have a hard enough time with recent austrian history (Seems like a relatively straightforward subject–nazi’s invade friendly austria. austria committs mass murders. America saves austria. Troops in austria to keep them peaceful. America leaves. austria goes into massive denial) without trying to discuss ours.

As usual, you are way off.

bill “I was against the Iraq War from the beginning” clinton was CALLED TO DUTY. He wrote a letter from England REFUSING TO SERVE.

Big difference between that and flying fighter jets.

Man, I should get paid to educate you.

JeffR

I allways liked Clinton. Now I love him.

You cannot seriously score more points with me than refusing to be enslaved to kill people in a war you do not believe in.

I guess it is better if Daddy can hide you in the National Guard.

Well, Billies Daddy couldn´t so he had to work his way up himself.

That is why he has wicked skills and George cannot even say a straight sentence into a camera.

[/quote]

bota,

I refuse to educate you on the goals of the Vietnam War. I’m pretty sure enslavement was not part of the U.S. aim. It WAS the goal of the enemy.

But, I digress.

Oh, along with being a poor student of history, you are also a lousy judge of character. bill “all eyes on me” clinton wasn’t making a principled stand. He’d melt if he ran across one.

He was trying to save his ass from getting shot.

Let’s call it for what it is.

He was called, he refused. That’s worse than going into the Guard.

Oh, at last count we’ve LOST ALOT OF GUARD MEMBERS IN FOREIGN WARS.

JeffR

P.S. I’m guilty of reading your posts. You are like a zit I can’t keep myself from squeezing.

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[quote]orion wrote:

I allways liked Clinton. Now I love him.

You cannot seriously score more points with me than refusing to be enslaved to kill people in a war you do not believe in.

[/quote]

…for example, bombing Belgrade at the behest of Brussels?

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
bota,

I refuse to educate you on the goals of the Vietnam War. I’m pretty sure enslavement was not part of the U.S. aim. It WAS the goal of the enemy.

But, I digress.

Oh, along with being a poor student of history, you are also a lousy judge of character. bill “all eyes on me” clinton wasn’t making a principled stand. He’d melt if he ran across one.

He was trying to save his ass from getting shot.

Let’s call it for what it is.

He was called, he refused. That’s worse than going into the Guard.

Oh, at last count we’ve LOST ALOT OF GUARD MEMBERS IN FOREIGN WARS.

JeffR

P.S. I’m guilty of reading your posts. You are like a zit I can’t keep myself from squeezing.

[/quote]

You do not get it.

The draft would have been the slavery part. Getting forced to kill or die for your government is as enslaving as it gets.

If he only refused to save his ass that is a-ok with me.

Again, he refused to be the US governments bitch when he thought it was dead wrong.

Great, how American of him.

Hiding in the National Guard and being AWOL or drunk half of the time is the social sensible thing to do in a military adoring, if not militaristic society, but hardly the more honorable choice.

If you believe in the war, fight in it. If not, don´t. Hiding in the National Guard was for college pussies with political pull and you know it.

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[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:

I allways liked Clinton. Now I love him.

You cannot seriously score more points with me than refusing to be enslaved to kill people in a war you do not believe in.

…for example, bombing Belgrade at the behest of Brussels?[/quote]

Pilots are draftees?

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[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
bota,

I refuse to educate you on the goals of the Vietnam War. I’m pretty sure enslavement was not part of the U.S. aim. It WAS the goal of the enemy.

But, I digress.

Oh, along with being a poor student of history, you are also a lousy judge of character. bill “all eyes on me” clinton wasn’t making a principled stand. He’d melt if he ran across one.

He was trying to save his ass from getting shot.

Let’s call it for what it is.

He was called, he refused. That’s worse than going into the Guard.

Oh, at last count we’ve LOST ALOT OF GUARD MEMBERS IN FOREIGN WARS.

JeffR

P.S. I’m guilty of reading your posts. You are like a zit I can’t keep myself from squeezing.

You do not get it.

The draft would have been the slavery part. Getting forced to kill or die for your government is as enslaving as it gets.

If he only refused to save his ass that is a-ok with me.

Again, he refused to be the US governments bitch when he thought it was dead wrong.

Great, how American of him.

Hiding in the National Guard and being AWOL or drunk half of the time is the social sensible thing to do in a military adoring, if not militaristic society, but hardly the more honorable choice.

If you believe in the war, fight in it. If not, don´t. Hiding in the National Guard was for college pussies with political pull and you know it.

[/quote]

Any Guard members on here? Anyone have family in the Guard? Anyone here fly outdated planes in the Guard?

Your response to the “pussies” comment would be more devastating than mine.

bota is screaming for another beatdown.

Let’s make it epic.

Thanks in advance,

JeffR

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[quote]orion wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:

I allways liked Clinton. Now I love him.

You cannot seriously score more points with me than refusing to be enslaved to kill people in a war you do not believe in.

…for example, bombing Belgrade at the behest of Brussels?

Pilots are draftees?

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[Thread hijack]

The sarcasm falls flat or you are uninformed in history. Let me " 'splain it to ya."
Clinton, love him as you may, dragged his heals through the Sarajevo crisis, with great loss of life, as Europe dithered. With Kosovo, Brussels demanded the bombing of Belgrade and Clinton acquiesced. When British PM Major pleaded for US combat troops on the ground, Clinton resisted, then acquiesced once more, and Milosevich folded.

[Perhaps you were too young to understand any of this; I hold a negative memory of the German-language press through this period. A fair, but not great, book is Halberstam’s, “War in a Time of Peace.”]

Any lessons here?
Any black and white judgments on the extraterritoreal projection of force by the US and some Allies?
Did Clinton have principles? Did the European pacifists?
Will you stand so principled if, as the UN and NATO dithers once again, warfare starts again in Kosovo and Serbia?