Ok but is it corrupt? That’s my question. We may not like that Trump hotels are making money but again all politicians profit somehow or another. But is it corrupt/illegal like ALLEGEDLY selling influence or favors to foreign governments for personal profit, which is illegal.
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Agree. I don’t think it proves much about Joe that Hunter was (is?) addicted to crack. Anything about Joe using his power to help Hunter illegally is relevant.
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If you believe that’s his computer I have a bridge to sell you.
I think that’s going to depend on your definition of corrupt. We had a user on here who argued it was a good use of tax money that Trump wanted to get dirt on Biden with Ukraine. That’s not the conclusion I came away with at all.
All politicians profit is another highly dismissive thing. Do we have evidence of other Presidents directly profiting to the level that Trump has in four years? Maybe so I don’t know the answer without looking but my gut says no.
That’s like telling a judge after you drove 110 mph and killed someone that it shouldn’t matter because everyone has drove over the speed limit before.
The drug thing was just smarmy, but entertaining journalism. The real story is that we have emails connecting the operations of Burisma to Joe Biden and Biden using his influence as VP (and possibly Obama, I will explain in a minute that connection) enrich his son and himself (presumably). He used his influence as VP to do a quid pro quo to get a prosecutor in a foreign nation fired because he was investigating the firm that his son worked for.
The time line is as important as anything else. When Biden held that now infamous press conference, where he said ‘fire the prosecutor or you don’t get the billion’ Hunter was already on the board.
This puts his personal interest, smack-dab in the middle of the ‘quid pro quo’ moment. I posted the Biden video ^^ up there somewhere, I can try to hunt down the transcript if you like.
The connection to Obama, now this is me reaching not anyone else, is that Biden told the Ukrainian official to ‘call the president’ if he did not like what he was threatening. Did Obama know what was going on and would he have supported Biden in this case?
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And? So Trump did business with Saudi Arabia before he was president. So what? What came of this, what was the corrupt action here? I see, perhaps’s and maybe’s and possibly-means’s and could be’s, but I don’t see any evidence Trump did anything wrong here.
Isn’t this sad? We got Biden, cold caught and all you can come up with is “But Trump!”
Nice try at a red herring, but there is no “there” there. And you can make your own thread about Trump corruption, this is a Biden corruption thread and the news is hot and sizzling and fresh off the presses.
How much for the bridge and where is it? I want investigate what you are trying to sell.
This guy? The guy the Republicans wanted fired in an open letter to the then-President of Ukraine?
Just to double check, this guy, for whose removal EU ambassadors pushed?
Or maybe triple check - this guy that the IMF wanted fired before disbursing much-needed loans?
Shokin previously served in the same post under Presidents Leonid Kuchma and Viktor Yushchenko, and in his new tenure has proposed a number of Yanukovych-era holdovers for key functions, making him the ultimate political insider in the eyes of critics.
> Poroshenko has ignored repeated calls to sack Shokin, including from more than 100 members of parliament.
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Is there a possibility that Joe Biden wanted the prosecutor fired for a legitimate reason? Coincidence does happen in the real world.
Edit:
It looks like @loppar added right before I posted some legitimate reasons that Joe Biden would want him fired. We now need more than coincidence for this to be a real smoking gun (Occam’s Razor).
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Shokin’s removal was literally official US policy. Not only of the US but all of Ukraine’s western backers. See above.
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I see that. To me, the proof to show corruption needs to be basically irrefutable now, since there is a high probability that he (Joe Biden) was just doing his job, and the fact that it ended up helping Hunter seems likely to be coincidence.
it wasn’t helping Hunter, that’s the catch. Because the Burisma investigation was shelved a long time ago by Shokin himself, who was taking kickbacks from Zlochevsky, the Burisma owner.
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Yeah…I mean, there are definitely some very private photos of him (Hunter) that reportedly come from the same computer. Certainly not public record, until now.
From the article you linked:
“The president’s company, the Trump Organization, said shortly after his 2016 election that it had shut down those Saudi companies. The president later pledged to pursue no new foreign deals while in office.”
All the deals with the Saudis were 20 years ago.
So to me this makes for a perfect conspiracy theory. It has a coincidence, a lot of moving parts that most people will not understand (admittedly I don’t, I but like to ask questions to understand how confident I should be in an assertion), and a group of people wanting to believe. I am not saying for sure that there isn’t anything that Biden has done wrong, but that I don’t think proof has been presented yet, and there are other probable explanations.
If it isn’t helping his son, what are they (many GoP supporters) upset about?
Edit: I’ll look around for a bit of info on this to actually understand and not just question people’s knowledge and soundness of reasoning.
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Has anyone told this to the guy with the red hat?
Think of it this way - when a Chechen warlor…I mean “president” invites Mike Tyson, Hillary Swank or a slew of UFC fighters and celebrities past their prime to hang out with him in his gaudy mansion, he’s showing off, it’s a status symbol.
The exact same thing is Hunter’s “position” on the Burisma board. Zlochevsky was basically bragging that he could afford to pay 50k/month to a crackhead who happened to be the (then) VPs son. A status symbol - “look everyone, I have a Biden of my own”
Not so different from fake Western businessmen in China.
So, let me get this strait. Other people wanted the same guy fired, so that makes this:
Okay?
So the ‘Quid Pro Quo’ is okay, because other people also wanted the guy fired. Right? AND, it just so happened that this guy was investigating Burisma and Hunter was on the board. So it’s really okay and there was nothing wrong with threatening Ukraine with an already negotiated loan guarantee to fire a guy that people didn’t like, in a foreign country who just happened also to be investigating the company his son was working for. Gotcha! 
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That’s impossible Rhonda! How can you sleep when you’re high on crack? Hmmmm? Chinese riddle for you.
There was nothing wrong with this?
Did you read the article?
Nothing to see here. Everyone knows crackheads are some of the hardest workers out there. I’m not surprised Hunter earned millions of dollars through legitimate means completely unconnected to his father’s Vice Presidency of The USA or his decades in the senate.
It defies logic to imagine he didn’t earn that salary or the wire transfers of millions. Have you ever heard a crackhead say “geez, I’ve tried everything but I can’t figure out how to make money.”?
Of course not. Those crackheads get out there and earn!
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“Other people” being the State Department, all EU countries and the IMF.
No he wasn’t. He shelved the investigation years ago. If anything, Shokin was protecting Burisma.
All loan guarantees issued by both the US and the EU to Ukraine were conditioned (in writing) on the “reform of Prosecutor’s General Office (PGO) of Ukraine”, meaning Shokin’s dismissal. The same condition was part of the IMF deal.
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