[quote] Brook wrote:
HCG will be no more necessary with the addition of deca - test for 12 weeks is just as suppressive in the end.
HCG may help with a lowered libido whilst using Nandrolone, but not because it does anything different to the test that should be included in the cycle.
The prolactin issue that often gives a vastly reduced libido (IME) wont be helped by HCG either… caber or more commonly a lower dose of deca will.
Not that i am saying don’t use it (HCG), you should. Just that it should also be used for test cycles of a longer fashion, and not because deca has some property that requires it more.
If it was simply the fact that deca doesnt convert to DHT that made it no good for libido - then this would be cured by even the smallest amount of test and in SOME cases, it is not. i digress…
I also have to say that i disagree with the recommendation of Equipoise in the same breath as deca - they are vastly different and it is barely anabolic at all in practice (not saying it has no effect - but would be like adding Winny or Anavar to a Test cycle).
Also saying Eq “gives x and y effect, with a lot less sides than deca” is misleading.
Apart from the fact that deca is one of the mildest (side effect wise) AAS commonly used today (not mentioning the massive potential for muscle building on this drug), the only side effect you could possibly be referring to is the suppression factor - which is no more suppressive over a 12 week period than test (i am aware it is over a 1 week period however, but who runs AAS for 1 week??).
I know that there are additional issues - possible prolactin induced libido problems and ester length coupled with the power of suppression it has - but in all honesty, Test will shut you down just as hard eventually (over 4 weeks or so) and cycle after cycle it will become harder to recover inbetween.
I am just making a point - i AM NOT trying to convince anyone to use Deca - especially the OP. i am just trying to cease the unnatural and unwarranted fear of what i believe to be a fantastic AAS.
I also think for a first cycle that 12 weeks on should be avoided.
My first few (and i mean a good few) cycles were 6-8 weeks in length in total, i have ran 12 and longer cycles but i will be again reverting to 6-8on and 6off (B+C).
For a newb tho, it is especially important to keep cycles simple with one compound preferably, and short - an enanth, deca, cyp or undec ester can all be used perfectly well for 6 weeks at a time with a full frontload.
Even down to 4 weeks mr. bill roberts told me, and i believe him and will be structuring a blitz style cycle based on that soon 
thats what i think!
(James - i bet you could feel picked on by me now! It wasnt my intention, i simply dont agree with a couple of your recommendations - each to his own though and i know that what i like in AAS isnt always what is best for another ;D)
Brook[/quote]
Sorry it taken so long to reply
non taken bro i just was talking about my experience from AAS. Deca was really suppresive on my body even when ran with test. i was doing 250 mg deca and 500 mg test. 10 weeks deca 12 weeks test. around week 6 i notice the supression got off the deca and started HCG finished my test everything worked out fine. I swaped for some EQ my next cycle and it worked so much more for me. Had better keeps with test E and EQ than test E and deca with less sides.
AS for the d bol only 6 days a week, well thats just an old school dosage scheme decided to try on my last cylce i used d bol on ( which was about year or more ago). From what i remember the reason was to just give your body a break from the oral AAS. It didnt help the cylce but it didnt hurt it either. if anything it boosted my mental state. I got some friends who agree and disagree on the 6 days on 1 day off. I do believe it was meant more for a d bol only cylce but i went ahead and tried it.
But back to the guys question on first cycle i would and did a test only cylce for my first. 10 weeks long. The theory behind the solo cycles is to see how your body reacts. if your taking two compunds for the first time and your body dont like one of them then you wont know which it was. For my 2nd i threw d bol in there. Then third is when i tried the deca with it all. My 4th and 5th i ran EQ and did the d bol 6 on 1 off on my last cycle and like i said i like it.
Good luck with your cycle though man