[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Voted Democrat once.[/quote]
Nice…
PTD,
Whats your arm routine look like? Your kinda my idol as to what i want my arms to look like…
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
[quote]Reed wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I didn’t realize the limit for the muscle was about 1cc until later on, I figure my delts were big enough for what I was trying for.
I suspected I may have put it in too deep the first time, I sank it in the full inch and a half, and since I have no fat on my delt .5-.75 of an inch is plenty.
To this day I don’t put anything in there, its too awkward to reach, I have thick stumpy arms, oh well live and learn.
I want to try to use insulin pins in the future as many suggest before foraging for upper body sites, but the insulin pins I have the for actual insulin I acquired are only 6mm and hold only about .35 of a cc.[/quote]
I wander why the amount a muscle can hold can vary so much. I say this because I do not have massive delta by any means and I can easily handle 3ml in either[/quote]
I would never ever do that, but I imagine you worked up to that and it takes some acclimation. This was virgin tissue I stuck prop into. And it was my first go with prop, was working as a trainer at the time and everyone was concerned that I was limping everywhere.
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Yeah, from what I’m to understand (and I’m still a relative rookie here so I’m just trying to absorb everything,) but isn’t “x” muscle can only hold “x” amount of oil more conjecture than anything else? I know some dudes who are, to be fair, rather large that put 1.5-2ccs into their delts frequently. Is it an individual thing, or more of a size thing?
Please, add to my list snorting dbol, as I found about 10 10mg pills I had in a box, and since that thread popped out, cannot get it out of my head. Will definetely do it, along with a buddy. We will crush a pill, divide the powder in 2, so we will be snorting about 5mg, not 7.
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]SwD wrote:
Damn! You doc gave you 19g pins? Is he dumb or he just hates you? And for TRT, slin pins can be used. No need for a whale harpoon[/quote]
Yup, Doc gave me a bag of 19g pins and said they would be perfect. Been using slins ever since.
Use slins on blast also. Just more often.[/quote]
You need to post that in the TRT forum and warn people about idiot and dangerous docs (well add some more to the long list).
Wow. I can’t believe how clueless some of these docs are. How can we know so much more practical knowledge than them when it’s their “field of expertise”??? What are they learning exactly?
As for muscles handling this much cc. I never inject more than 2cc at a time, and only glutes and ventro can tolerate it. Quads are 1cc max, and shoulders, which I rarely use would be 0.5cc. I thought I was idiotic to use 2cc in my right quad as I limped for days, but it was harsh gear (high BA probably) and it seems compared to some of you guys it was nothing at all.
[quote]SwD wrote:
As for muscles handling this much cc. I never inject more than 2cc at a time, and only glutes and ventro can tolerate it. Quads are 1cc max, and shoulders, which I rarely use would be 0.5cc. I thought I was idiotic to use 2cc in my right quad as I limped for days, but it was harsh gear (high BA probably) and it seems compared to some of you guys it was nothing at all.[/quote]
I inject 4ml 2ml Test 250 and 2ml Tren E 250 into each Quad and Glute. Up to 3ml into Delts, and 2ml in my Traps and Lats… Guess I’m lucky
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I didn’t realize the limit for the muscle was about 1cc until later on, I figure my delts were big enough for what I was trying for.
I suspected I may have put it in too deep the first time, I sank it in the full inch and a half, and since I have no fat on my delt .5-.75 of an inch is plenty.
To this day I don’t put anything in there, its too awkward to reach, I have thick stumpy arms, oh well live and learn.
I want to try to use insulin pins in the future as many suggest before foraging for upper body sites, but the insulin pins I have the for actual insulin I acquired are only 6mm and hold only about .35 of a cc.[/quote]
Go to WalMart and ask them what size insulin syringes they carry. WalMart is cheaper than other stores.
Testosterone has always been injected directly into the muscles for Testosterone Replacement Therapy. Since it must be injected at intervals no greater than once per week, this amounts to thousands of shots --and holes in the muscles–over a lifetime.
Now we have found testosterone can be easily and safely injected just under the skin, using a much smaller needle, and this method can actually work better than intramuscular injections for many patients.
This is especially true for those men who have high estrogen levels (yesâ??men have “female hormones”, too!) low Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG), or are what we call “Hyperexcreters” or “hypermetabolizers”: Dr. John Crisler,
Watch the Dr. Crisler video:
Not on TRT, but the tightness that I get from steady shots to through the IT band and Tensor Fascia Latae for my prefered vastus lateralus and ventral glute sites actually hampers my mobility a bit, I surmise that it will get worse over time.
So are you implying that the aim of injecting with slin pins that I hear about is not to hit IM but to do subQ, or is it simply an option? I imagine if the shot has any amount of volume to it, it would have to be split to land subQ.
I’m just going to ask for longer needles, doubtless they are around.
Ran out of needles and borrowed one off my friend… He gave me a 21g 1.5 incher. Like putting a fucking sword in my leg… no, infact a sword would have been less painful.
[quote]SwD wrote:
Quads are 1cc max[/quote]
Really?! Wow, this is how I know it must be individualized. First thing I ever pinned was quads - 1.5ccs without any issue at all. Has been my go-to spot ever since, too. Funny how that is.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Injecting with a 21g 1,5’’ on my quad, in the middle and outer side, hitting a nerve, continue with the injection almost crying from the pain, and then having my outer quad collapse within 3-4 weeks from than injection. My right quad and my left one now are completely different due to this. But, at least there is no strength difference, only a size difference.[/quote]
Do you often inject with 21g? Caus
Nope, I ahve done it only twice, for my first two injections ever.
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Wut wut does it feel like sticking a 21g in… 25g is like a pinch which I can tolerate, even still i dislike it but a 21g must feel like a fucking nail going in.[/quote]
I use a 23 gauge and I find it painless. And I will push as much as 3cc’s + into the quad.
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…bauber i thought you were all natural. there are no heroes left in the world.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Injecting with a 21g 1,5’’ on my quad, in the middle and outer side, hitting a nerve, continue with the injection almost crying from the pain, and then having my outer quad collapse within 3-4 weeks from than injection. My right quad and my left one now are completely different due to this. But, at least there is no strength difference, only a size difference.[/quote]
Do you often inject with 21g? Caus
Nope, I ahve done it only twice, for my first two injections ever.
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Wut wut does it feel like sticking a 21g in… 25g is like a pinch which I can tolerate, even still i dislike it but a 21g must feel like a fucking nail going in.[/quote]
I use a 23 gauge and I find it painless. And I will push as much as 3cc’s + into the quad.
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…bauber i thought you were all natural. there are no heroes left in the world.
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Out of topic, but I never truly understood the term natural and unnatural. If someone only uses testosterone for example, how can you tell he is unnatural? Is extra testosterone unnatural? I don’t think so, since there are people who have EXTREMELY high test on their own, way above normal levels. Normal and abnormal are far better options, IMO.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]SwD wrote:
Quads are 1cc max[/quote]
Really?! Wow, this is how I know it must be individualized. First thing I ever pinned was quads - 1.5ccs without any issue at all. Has been my go-to spot ever since, too. Funny how that is.[/quote]
2-3cc easy for me.
I read somewhere that glutes can do 3, quads should do 2, and pretty much anywhere else can support 1. Broscience at its finest I’m sure, it has be individualized on how hyooge you are.
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]SwD wrote:
Quads are 1cc max[/quote]
Really?! Wow, this is how I know it must be individualized. First thing I ever pinned was quads - 1.5ccs without any issue at all. Has been my go-to spot ever since, too. Funny how that is.[/quote]
2-3cc easy for me.
I read somewhere that glutes can do 3, quads should do 2, and pretty much anywhere else can support 1. Broscience at its finest I’m sure, it has be individualized on how hyooge you are.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Injecting with a 21g 1,5’’ on my quad, in the middle and outer side, hitting a nerve, continue with the injection almost crying from the pain, and then having my outer quad collapse within 3-4 weeks from than injection. My right quad and my left one now are completely different due to this. But, at least there is no strength difference, only a size difference.[/quote]
Do you often inject with 21g? Caus
Nope, I ahve done it only twice, for my first two injections ever.
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Wut wut does it feel like sticking a 21g in… 25g is like a pinch which I can tolerate, even still i dislike it but a 21g must feel like a fucking nail going in.[/quote]
I use a 23 gauge and I find it painless. And I will push as much as 3cc’s + into the quad.
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…bauber i thought you were all natural. there are no heroes left in the world.
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B12 only mane!! I swear I am clean!
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
Injecting with a 21g 1,5’’ on my quad, in the middle and outer side, hitting a nerve, continue with the injection almost crying from the pain, and then having my outer quad collapse within 3-4 weeks from than injection. My right quad and my left one now are completely different due to this. But, at least there is no strength difference, only a size difference.[/quote]
Do you often inject with 21g? Caus
Nope, I ahve done it only twice, for my first two injections ever.
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Wut wut does it feel like sticking a 21g in… 25g is like a pinch which I can tolerate, even still i dislike it but a 21g must feel like a fucking nail going in.[/quote]
I use a 23 gauge and I find it painless. And I will push as much as 3cc’s + into the quad.
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…bauber i thought you were all natural. there are no heroes left in the world.
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Out of topic, but I never truly understood the term natural and unnatural. If someone only uses testosterone for example, how can you tell he is unnatural? Is extra testosterone unnatural? I don’t think so, since there are people who have EXTREMELY high test on their own, way above normal levels. Normal and abnormal are far better options, IMO.[/quote]
While I agree with what you are getting at here, pushing 1500 mgs of test a week is going to be miles above what ANYONE produces high test or not.
I can agree with the sentiment, as anyone with naturally low test is always going to be at a disadvantage to someone who has it in spades.
However as soon as the needle is in and the plunger is down, I don’t think you can call yourself natural anymore, but who knows, maybe people who are on TRT can still carry that banner.
What I don’t care for is those smug clowns who are vociferously anti-steroid but will spend 100’s each month buying every gypsy supplement GNC has to offer.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I can agree with the sentiment, as anyone with naturally low test is always going to be at a disadvantage to someone who has it in spades.
However as soon as the needle is in and the plunger is down, I don’t think you can call yourself natural anymore, but who knows, maybe people who are on TRT can still carry that banner.
What I don’t care for is those smug clowns who are vociferously anti-steroid but will spend 100’s each month buying every gypsy supplement GNC has to offer.[/quote]
WELL BRAH IF TEH GOVERNMENT SAYS IT KAY THEN I DO IT, cuz its legit.
While the douchebag does weed in his spare time.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
[quote]SSC wrote:
[quote]SwD wrote:
Quads are 1cc max[/quote]
Really?! Wow, this is how I know it must be individualized. First thing I ever pinned was quads - 1.5ccs without any issue at all. Has been my go-to spot ever since, too. Funny how that is.[/quote]
2-3cc easy for me.
I read somewhere that glutes can do 3, quads should do 2, and pretty much anywhere else can support 1. Broscience at its finest I’m sure, it has be individualized on how hyooge you are.
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It sure seems to vary per individual. To correct what I wrote, I can inject more, but the discomfort starts to affect my performance. I don’t think I’m such a wimp LOL, just that I don’t feel the need to make it harder on myself and somewhat limit my range of motion if it can be avoided.
One thing that seems to vary too, is quads. I hate doing quad injections, and I’m not alone for that, yet some people love it.
Most of the time it’s fine, but it happens that the injection or postinjection is painful. While it’s always fine in glutes and ventro. I do use TRT shots in the quads since I use slin pins or 27G, and maybe I’ll try some subQ as well for TRT shots.