Most of these studies are complete bollox.
Money can screw your brain, lead to some bad, expensive drug habits and even worse friends.
But it is in our societies definitely a means to aquire certain options that might lead to happiness.
Travel, medicine, studying, housing, good food etc etc
Rather basic stuff that can be way less complicated with lots of money.
Also, what is happiness, exactly?
Without answering this beforehand, two people might argue about very different things here.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Bullshit.
Have you ever tried frowning while driving a F458 through the Stelvio Pass?[/quote]
Haha, like jet-skis are so expensive.[/quote]
Good point.
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Apparently nobody noticed the edit.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Bullshit.
Have you ever tried frowning while driving a F458 through the Stelvio Pass?[/quote]
Haha, like F458’s are so expensive.[/quote]
Good point about the F458.
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Apparently nobody noticed my tiny penis or the edit.[/quote]
What edit?
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Bullshit.
Have you ever tried frowning while riding a Jet-ski?[/quote]
Haha, like jet-skis are so expensive.[/quote]
Jet skis themselves may not be expensive, but having enough money to ride a jet ski as much as you want is actually rather difficult. They burn a lot of gas and then you have to not actually need a job. [/quote]
wait what? you have to not need a job to ride a jet ski on a regular basis? That makes absolutely zero sense, unless you’re talking about riding a jet ski literally all day every day, something nobody wants to do. If I wanted to ride a jet ski every weekend, or even every few days, I have the means to do it. That doesn’t mean I don’t need my job…[/quote]
So you mean you’ve never been in a situation where you would rather be riding a jet ski? I’m not saying that I’d always like to be riding a jet ski, but it beats a lot of things.
Honestly, I wasn’t trying to go real deep on this. I haven’t read the actual study, but from the summary that I read, it really seems a little trivial.
In my estimation, the real reason that money doesn’t buy happiness is that money isn’t free. You have to give up something for money. People that have more money probably have less free time, less energy to spend with family and friends, and have higher stress in their jobs and lives. Obviously, there is the other end of the spectrum, where very poor people also have less of all those things because they spend so much trying to make ends meet. But that’s where the fact that this is a study of Harvard grads comes in. It’s a study comparing moderately successful, balanced people to highly successful, but probably obsessed with their career and finaces, people. I don’t think it’s hard to see why the first group wins on happiness.
All the happiness in the world can’t buy you money.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
All the happiness in the world can’t buy you money. [/quote]
Isn’t that how prostitution works?
There’s nothing wrong with money. There’s nothing wrong with wanting it, there’s nothing wrong with having it, even in large amounts. The keys are how we earn it and what we do with it. Honestly acquired and well spent, money can be resource for much good. Can it buy happiness? Whoever said that it can’t probable didn’t have enough. Actually, it’ll buy a lot more happiness than poverty will.
I think Pearl Baily best described it when she said “Honey, I been poor, and I been rich. And let me tell you, rich is better.” It probably is better in most cases, but it isn’t every thing.
So let me get this straight: a bunch of rich Harvard guys are following a group of rich Harvard guys and have determined that MONEY is not a significant contributor to happiness? LMFAO
I guess the CEO of ABC company makes 2 million a year and drives a Bently, while the CEO of XYZ company only makes 1 million a year and only drives a Mercedes. But since they BOTH can afford to maintaine a smokin hawt mistress on the side, then OBVIOUSLY the disparity in their income doesn’t corelate to their happiness, duh! I mean the Harvard guy who makes a million has more time and hotter wife than the guy who makes ten mil! So it can’t possible be a contributing factor. amidoingitright?
I’m sure I’m remembering MY childhood all wrong as well. I mean all the good times we had getting evicted, or watching my mom get the shit beaten out of her but couldn’t afford to leave was all well and good. I’m sure the middle class kids enjoyed the same sunny childhood as I did.
What a bunch of bullshit. In fact, that study is so far off the mark, it’s almost offensive.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So let me get this straight: a bunch of rich Harvard guys are following a group of rich Harvard guys and have determined that MONEY is not a significant contributor to happiness? LMFAO
I guess the CEO of ABC company makes 2 million a year and drives a Bently, while the CEO of XYZ company only makes 1 million a year and only drives a Mercedes. But since they BOTH can afford to maintaine a smokin hawt mistress on the side, then OBVIOUSLY the disparity in their income doesn’t corelate to their happiness, duh! I mean the Harvard guy who makes a million has more time and hotter wife than the guy who makes ten mil! So it can’t possible be a contributing factor. amidoingitright?
I’m sure I’m remembering MY childhood all wrong as well. I mean all the good times we had getting evicted, or watching my mom get the shit beaten out of her but couldn’t afford to leave was all well and good. I’m sure the middle class kids enjoyed the same sunny childhood as I did.
What a bunch of bullshit. In fact, that study is so far off the mark, it’s almost offensive.[/quote]
No man, It’s a choice! It is totally independent from wealth. I didn’t get a paper rout to feed myself. I got it for the joy of throwing newspapers at 4:30 in the morning![/sarcasm]
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So let me get this straight: a bunch of rich Harvard guys are following a group of rich Harvard guys and have determined that MONEY is not a significant contributor to happiness? LMFAO
I guess the CEO of ABC company makes 2 million a year and drives a Bently, while the CEO of XYZ company only makes 1 million a year and only drives a Mercedes. But since they BOTH can afford to maintaine a smokin hawt mistress on the side, then OBVIOUSLY the disparity in their income doesn’t corelate to their happiness, duh! I mean the Harvard guy who makes a million has more time and hotter wife than the guy who makes ten mil! So it can’t possible be a contributing factor. amidoingitright?
I’m sure I’m remembering MY childhood all wrong as well. I mean all the good times we had getting evicted, or watching my mom get the shit beaten out of her but couldn’t afford to leave was all well and good. I’m sure the middle class kids enjoyed the same sunny childhood as I did.
What a bunch of bullshit. In fact, that study is so far off the mark, it’s almost offensive.[/quote]
Angry chicken, you’re a good dude, I am sorry to hear about those rough times you went through.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Bullshit.
Have you ever tried frowning while coked out fucking a brazilian hooker on your personal learjet?[/quote]
Haha, like brazilian hookers and coke are so expensive.[/quote]
Good point about the brazilian hookers.
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Apparently nobody noticed my tiny penis or the edit.[/quote]
What edit?[/quote]
what penis?
oh damn, that is a penis. huh.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So let me get this straight: a bunch of rich Harvard guys are following a group of rich Harvard guys and have determined that MONEY is not a significant contributor to happiness? LMFAO
I guess the CEO of ABC company makes 2 million a year and drives a Bently, while the CEO of XYZ company only makes 1 million a year and only drives a Mercedes. But since they BOTH can afford to maintaine a smokin hawt mistress on the side, then OBVIOUSLY the disparity in their income doesn’t corelate to their happiness, duh! I mean the Harvard guy who makes a million has more time and hotter wife than the guy who makes ten mil! So it can’t possible be a contributing factor. amidoingitright?
I’m sure I’m remembering MY childhood all wrong as well. I mean all the good times we had getting evicted, or watching my mom get the shit beaten out of her but couldn’t afford to leave was all well and good. I’m sure the middle class kids enjoyed the same sunny childhood as I did.
What a bunch of bullshit. In fact, that study is so far off the mark, it’s almost offensive.[/quote]
No man, It’s a choice! It is totally independent from wealth. I didn’t get a paper rout to feed myself. I got it for the joy of throwing newspapers at 4:30 in the morning![/sarcasm]
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Happiness is a choice. Some people have harder situations making it a difficult choice, but ultimately it is still a choice.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I can agree with the general ‘money doesn’t buy happiness’. But the study has a pretty glaring flaw. They followed ONLY Harvard graduates. That’s a pretty obvious problem with a study that’s supposed to be applicable to the human race in general, right? That’s a pretty elite, specific demographic. Tell this to the average 9-5 blue collar guy who simply lacks the mental capabilities that a Harvard grad has, he may disagree. #1stworldproblems[/quote]
I had a similar response typed up but deleted it for the simple fact that if this flaw requires explanation, it won’t register to the people who require it.
It’s like talking to a buddy of mine. He’s a trust fund kid. Never worked a day in his life and wants for nothing. He’s rattling on one night about not getting as much as he wanted for selling his condo in Miami. His financial manager is an asshole and yadda yadda yadda.
I had to interrupt him for a moment to tell him that I had lost my job that week. With a mortgage payment due and a sick 4month old who was just in the hospital with a flu, so please pardon me for NOT GIVING A FUCK about the sale price of his condo.
Result- Blank stare.
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that sounds rough, honestly…I’m going to try and make a point without sounding like a huge asshole…
Why do some people think that problems should be a competition? One time my friend told me to “get a real problem” cause he had worse problems than I.
I avoid problems as much as possible, so excuse me if the best problem I can come up with right now is that I can’t switch playlists on my Iphone5 with my steering wheel controls in my car.
We look down on people who don’t have “REAL PROBLEMS”…WTF IS THAT?
I would congratulate (maybe not in the instance you have here) people who avoid major problems because they are responsible.
Your sick kid obviously has nothing to do with your responsiblities, you losing your job may (MAY*) have to do with that.
All I’m saying is, people shouldn’t glorify having bigger, more serious problems, although this often does happen (I’d say more so younger people do this).
I don’t mean to be a dick carbiduis, but your Iphone problem isn’t a real problem. That’s probably why people get pissed off about those complaining about their, “problems.”
Dude in SkyzykS example made money off the sale of his house or whatever it was. He complained because the market was down and he made less than he thought he should. That is not a problem. He is just complaining because he’s a moron. Losing your job because of cut back, that’s a real problem. Your child being sick is a real problem. Not being able to buy the new Iphone, no that’s not a freakin problem.
I do agree with your general premise; your example to me just doesn’t fit.
I agree with the premise, as well.
But his friend was a “trust fund” kid who “never worked a day in his life”, thus making your comment about being responsible irrelevant in that case. He doesn’t avoid more serious problems by his own means, he’s just a lucky bastard. Were he my friend, I would have told him long ago that I NEVER want to hear him complain.
Lol @ edits.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So let me get this straight: a bunch of rich Harvard guys are following a group of rich Harvard guys and have determined that MONEY is not a significant contributor to happiness? LMFAO
I guess the CEO of ABC company makes 2 million a year and drives a Bently, while the CEO of XYZ company only makes 1 million a year and only drives a Mercedes. But since they BOTH can afford to maintaine a smokin hawt mistress on the side, then OBVIOUSLY the disparity in their income doesn’t corelate to their happiness, duh! I mean the Harvard guy who makes a million has more time and hotter wife than the guy who makes ten mil! So it can’t possible be a contributing factor. amidoingitright?
I’m sure I’m remembering MY childhood all wrong as well. I mean all the good times we had getting evicted, or watching my mom get the shit beaten out of her but couldn’t afford to leave was all well and good. I’m sure the middle class kids enjoyed the same sunny childhood as I did.
What a bunch of bullshit. In fact, that study is so far off the mark, it’s almost offensive.[/quote]
rihanna got millions and got the shit beaten out of her, there are countless others. There’s also some rich ass women who get dragged out the house, and I’m Usher’s rich as hell dead son might prefer to be alive with only 30k to his name.
On the opposite spectrum I’ve hung out with people who might make 25k this year if their lucky, do nothing but party and hang out with their friends all the time. They may complain from time to time about wishing they could buy a Lex, but at times they’re happier then people I know with 3 times the money.
Sorry your childhood wasn’t all roses, but doesn’t mean the root cause was financial.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
All I’m saying is, people shouldn’t glorify having bigger, more serious problems, although this often does happen (I’d say more so younger people do this).[/quote]
Not really glorifying them, just defining the scope. Not for lack of empathy, but some of the things that people are unhappy with or about are just ridiculous.
I’m sure there are people who have problems that would make me feel like a complete tool for complaining about mine, and thee are plenty of things in life to feel grateful for.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t mean to be a dick carbiduis, but your Iphone problem isn’t a real problem. That’s probably why people get pissed off about those complaining about their, “problems.”
Dude in SkyzykS example made money off the sale of his house or whatever it was. He complained because the market was down and he made less than he thought he should. That is not a problem. He is just complaining because he’s a moron. Losing your job because of cut back, that’s a real problem. Your child being sick is a real problem. Not being able to buy the new Iphone, no that’s not a freakin problem.
I do agree with your general premise; your example to me just doesn’t fit.[/quote]
That was my point, I picked the “whitest” problem I could think of. And I feel like you’re doing exactly what I’m talking about, saying that my example isn’t a REAL problem, I KNOW IT’S NOT A REAL PROBLEM, I like to avoid REAL problems as much As possible.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t mean to be a dick carbiduis, but your Iphone problem isn’t a real problem. That’s probably why people get pissed off about those complaining about their, “problems.”
Dude in SkyzykS example made money off the sale of his house or whatever it was. He complained because the market was down and he made less than he thought he should. That is not a problem. He is just complaining because he’s a moron. Losing your job because of cut back, that’s a real problem. Your child being sick is a real problem. Not being able to buy the new Iphone, no that’s not a freakin problem.
I do agree with your general premise; your example to me just doesn’t fit.[/quote]
That was my point, I picked the “whitest” problem I could think of. And I feel like you’re doing exactly what I’m talking about, saying that my example isn’t a REAL problem, I KNOW IT’S NOT A REAL PROBLEM, I like to avoid REAL problems as much As possible.[/quote]
I don’t think I was clear enough. It’s not that your Iphone situation is a small problem it is not a problem. A nuisance or an annoyance, sure fine, but it is not a problem.
If you said, damn man I can’t open a jar of soup because I broke my thumb, that’s a small problem. If a family member has cancer that’s a big problem. Your car not having controls on the steering wheel to change the song on your Ipod =/= a problem.
Like I said, I agree with the premise of what you wrote, just not the example. Some people do only have “small” problems, but they are still problems. It has to actually be a real problem to begin with though.