Strong Words 3/9/06

[quote]CU AeroStallion wrote:
you got me googling that, and I found some interesting stuff… one of which was that the word is from Greek, neotenia, “neo” meaning young or youthful and tenia, of course which is extended or extending. An extension of youth. cool idea.

That’d be a sick license plate if it was just one letter shorter.

Or a good name for a boat, or old, old wooden ship, like the Diversity.

Now I need a fucking boat. great.[/quote]

It’s funny. I’ve never looked into it because I thought it was such a stellar term, that it deserved to be true.

Not to steal any thunder here - but I AM a middle-aged neotonite.

Recieved an MBA and started up a business at 34. Two new business ventures at 41 - and looking for a third.

My mission statement is to live as fast and as hard as you possible can. If you have to lay down to die - you are living too slow, and too safe. I want to skid into my grave going 90, and out of gas.

I was just thinking that this is why South Park was/is so popular: adult themes as seen through the eyes of children.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

I truly believe you can learn something from anyone.

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I gotta part ways with you here. Aside from those who have only evil or negativity to offer, some people are just bags of meat.

As for the main subject, I always tell people I am still 12. Still have a great time with my grown sons, and will have fun playing with their kids too, when they come along.

[quote]hankr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I truly believe you can learn something from anyone.

I gotta part ways with you here. Aside from those who have only evil or negativity to offer, some people are just bags of meat.
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A bag of meat can still inform you about bags of meat.

[quote]hankr wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I truly believe you can learn something from anyone.

I gotta part ways with you here. Aside from those who have only evil or negativity to offer, some people are just bags of meat.

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But maybe you learned something from those people too - you don’t want to become one of them. I often find that some of my best life lessons come from times where I encounter someone who shocks me out of complacency or a rut by being so counter to who I want to be as a person. Even the “bags of meat” can provide wake up calls at times.

Yeah, another vote on the bags of meat serving a purpose as well.

I recall at one point living on an island (it had a road to it though). Anyway, there was only once place for all of us to hang out.

After living there a while, with all the same faces, it got dull. Hell, even the biggest meanest shithead bag of meat was a welcome sight at times.

You don’t have to like someone and you don’t have to like what they do or know, but you can still be informed by it.

Anyway, I’m with everyone else, I may be physically getting older, but I’m hanging on to my youthful spirit as long as possible.

“grown up” is simply a limited thought. Its finite, done, accomplished.

Anyone with half a brain, or heart, knows that this is not the case, life is ever changing, evolving, developing.

“child-like” to me is revolting against the conditioning and limited beliefs and thoughts i have about myself and this world.

Creativiity is the core attribute to growth, progression, innovation and it suggests ACTION… even if that action is just letting go of old ideas, and consciously trying to change.

A child doesnt need to do this, they are yet to be weighed down by the worlds expectaions or their own habitual thoughts.

For me however… “if nothing changes, nothing changes”

Only someone stuck in a rut would be worried about getting stuck in a rut

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Only someone stuck in a rut would be worried about getting stuck in a rut

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Only someone inexperienced would not realize that complacency leads to degradation. It is why anyone married will tell you that a “happy marriage” takes constant work. The moment you stop working at it, it falls apart. The same happens with your body and the rest of your life. Acknowledging that does not indicate being stuck in a rut. It indicates understanding how to avoid one.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
swivel wrote:

what does it mean to you ?

I don’t want to end up hitting 50 and falling into the same group as many around that age who are perpetually stuck in their ways and absolutely resistant to change. It is one reason I like bodybuilding so much and work hard in it. I like the fact that I won’t look exactly the same next year as I do now. I understand completely that I don’t have everything figured out. I try to pick up on as much as possible from others.

I truly believe you can learn something from anyone.

I have no desire to ever fully “grow up”.[/quote]

Does this mean you want to live at Neverland Ranch?

Just kidding, Professor! :slight_smile:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Only someone stuck in a rut would be worried about getting stuck in a rut

Only someone inexperienced would not realize that complacency leads to degradation. It is why anyone married will tell you that a “happy marriage” takes constant work. The moment you stop working at it, it falls apart. The same happens with your body and the rest of your life. Acknowledging that does not indicate being stuck in a rut. It indicates understanding how to avoid one.[/quote]

So what?

If you are constantly changing things and progressing as you wish, in any area of life, why are you even taking time to talk about it / worry about it / “try” to live by the motto of not “growing up”

You are possibly stuck in the rut of trying to stay out of a rut, and you don’t even realise it.

What you said about marriage is not true for all people and all marriages. It is a generalisation, and all generalisations are wrong. (including that one). It is not constant work, no more than breathing is “constant work”. It CAN be constant work if two people get married and aren’t well suited … and then, anything can be considered “constant work” if you look on life as a constant battle to overcome being in a rut, changing, progressing, trying to not end up middle aged with some kind of mid-life crisis - that kind of thinking is going to go with you into your mid-life and beyond, and it is pointless.

And just so my post doesn’t come across as pointless I will try and rephrase it …

Looking to prevent / avoid / defeat the abstract idea of “growing up” is NOT as good as focusing your efforts and attention on enjoying, learning, playing LIKE A CHILD.

Don’t you see the irony? You’re attacking the whole “problem” in the way an un-childlike grown-up would.

Exactly the opposite behaviour that you are trying to have.

Don’t think I am having a dig at you, I am not, from your posts it is clear that you are quite intelligent and thinking (sometimes that is a rare combination) but also I detect - and I might be wrong - a frequent undertone of frustration and anger.

Anyway, back on your original post regarding the childlike-adult, you might want to look at this book

Awakening the Heroes Within : Twelve Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform Our World
by Carol S. Pearson

Ignore the new-agish title, it is a good work based on Jung and is a hierachy of archetypes from the most infantile to the most mature, and the 12th one, the Fool, is probably what you are trying to describe and aspire to, and it is what people should be trying to aspire to.

I believe if you read that book then the concepts you are trying to describe, will be completely nailed. You can get it for $6 on amazon.

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
Only someone stuck in a rut would be worried about getting stuck in a rut

Only someone inexperienced would not realize that complacency leads to degradation. It is why anyone married will tell you that a “happy marriage” takes constant work. The moment you stop working at it, it falls apart. The same happens with your body and the rest of your life. Acknowledging that does not indicate being stuck in a rut. It indicates understanding how to avoid one.

So what?

If you are constantly changing things and progressing as you wish, in any area of life, why are you even taking time to talk about it / worry about it / “try” to live by the motto of not “growing up”

You are possibly stuck in the rut of trying to stay out of a rut, and you don’t even realise it.

What you said about marriage is not true for all people and all marriages. It is a generalisation, and all generalisations are wrong. (including that one). It is not constant work, no more than breathing is “constant work”. It CAN be constant work if two people get married and aren’t well suited … and then, anything can be considered “constant work” if you look on life as a constant battle to overcome being in a rut, changing, progressing, trying to not end up middle aged with some kind of mid-life crisis - that kind of thinking is going to go with you into your mid-life and beyond, and it is pointless.

And just so my post doesn’t come across as pointless I will try and rephrase it …

Looking to prevent / avoid / defeat the abstract idea of “growing up” is NOT as good as focusing your efforts and attention on enjoying, learning, playing LIKE A CHILD.

Don’t you see the irony? You’re attacking the whole “problem” in the way an un-childlike grown-up would.

Exactly the opposite behaviour that you are trying to have.

Don’t think I am having a dig at you, I am not, from your posts it is clear that you are quite intelligent and thinking (sometimes that is a rare combination) but also I detect - and I might be wrong - a frequent undertone of frustration and anger.

Anyway, back on your original post regarding the childlike-adult, you might want to look at this book

Awakening the Heroes Within : Twelve Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform Our World
by Carol S. Pearson

Ignore the new-agish title, it is a good work based on Jung and is a hierachy of archetypes from the most infantile to the most mature, and the 12th one, the Fool, is probably what you are trying to describe and aspire to, and it is what people should be trying to aspire to.

I believe if you read that book then the concepts you are trying to describe, will be completely nailed. You can get it for $6 on amazon.
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Man! Your an argumentative snufty bastard. I’ll have a dig at your combative, self righteous bullshit. I am very leary of know it all, narrow minded “grown ups” like yourself. Smile dude, it helps loosen your head from your ass.

Relax thyself oh mighty philosopher!

[quote]Magarhe wrote:
So what?

If you are constantly changing things and progressing as you wish, in any area of life, why are you even taking time to talk about it / worry about it / “try” to live by the motto of not “growing up”

You are possibly stuck in the rut of trying to stay out of a rut, and you don’t even realise it.

What you said about marriage is not true for all people and all marriages. It is a generalisation, and all generalisations are wrong. (including that one). It is not constant work, no more than breathing is “constant work”. It CAN be constant work if two people get married and aren’t well suited … and then, anything can be considered “constant work” if you look on life as a constant battle to overcome being in a rut, changing, progressing, trying to not end up middle aged with some kind of mid-life crisis - that kind of thinking is going to go with you into your mid-life and beyond, and it is pointless.

And just so my post doesn’t come across as pointless I will try and rephrase it …

Looking to prevent / avoid / defeat the abstract idea of “growing up” is NOT as good as focusing your efforts and attention on enjoying, learning, playing LIKE A CHILD.

Don’t you see the irony? You’re attacking the whole “problem” in the way an un-childlike grown-up would.

Exactly the opposite behaviour that you are trying to have.

Don’t think I am having a dig at you, I am not, from your posts it is clear that you are quite intelligent and thinking (sometimes that is a rare combination) but also I detect - and I might be wrong - a frequent undertone of frustration and anger.

Anyway, back on your original post regarding the childlike-adult, you might want to look at this book

Awakening the Heroes Within : Twelve Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform Our World
by Carol S. Pearson

Ignore the new-agish title, it is a good work based on Jung and is a hierachy of archetypes from the most infantile to the most mature, and the 12th one, the Fool, is probably what you are trying to describe and aspire to, and it is what people should be trying to aspire to.

I believe if you read that book then the concepts you are trying to describe, will be completely nailed. You can get it for $6 on amazon.
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What the living fuck was all of this written for? To show that you read a couple of books? You wrote all of this to prove in some way that by discussing the act of avoiding becoming complacent somehow means I am in a rut? That makes zero sense regardless of how you philosophically massage it. The majority of the people on this planet become complacent in several aspects of their lives. It isn’t until they get awoken from some near death experience that most realize it. Why would anyone try to stop the discussion of it?

One thing is evident, I can learn something from anyone, even if that something is that your opinion means about as much to me as the mating habits of the south african dung beetle.

You are possibly stuck in the rut of trying to stay out of a rut, and you don’t even realise it.

yeah. i HATE trying to avoid staying out of a rut. We have a saying at our training facility concerning fighting, which translates nicely here: “He who stops moving first loses.” It’s true in fighting and it is true in life. You can’t expect anything to be easy and when it is, you should be suspicious.

[quote]hankr wrote:
some people are just bags of meat.
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I think a more accurate statement would be ‘some people are just bags of fat’…

Like this?

[quote]vroom wrote:
Relax thyself oh mighty philosopher![/quote]

Funny. Good timing. :slight_smile:

i understand what it is you tried to do professor… simple people are often too quick to judge and attack before spending time to maybe read the statement more than once as their minds require that reinforcement of its meaning without the filters they have attained over their years.

i think the professor was bringing to light a statement that may or may not resonate with some others other there providing them with the motivation to continue to move forward and the message of awareness is a pre-requisite for transcendence.

some on the other hand will not receive that message, they are on a different ‘bandwidth’ if you will… its not bad… its just that those people should respect a statement even if they don’t understand it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
So what?

If you are constantly changing things and progressing as you wish, in any area of life, why are you even taking time to talk about it / worry about it / “try” to live by the motto of not “growing up”

You are possibly stuck in the rut of trying to stay out of a rut, and you don’t even realise it.

What you said about marriage is not true for all people and all marriages. It is a generalisation, and all generalisations are wrong. (including that one). It is not constant work, no more than breathing is “constant work”. It CAN be constant work if two people get married and aren’t well suited … and then, anything can be considered “constant work” if you look on life as a constant battle to overcome being in a rut, changing, progressing, trying to not end up middle aged with some kind of mid-life crisis - that kind of thinking is going to go with you into your mid-life and beyond, and it is pointless.

And just so my post doesn’t come across as pointless I will try and rephrase it …

Looking to prevent / avoid / defeat the abstract idea of “growing up” is NOT as good as focusing your efforts and attention on enjoying, learning, playing LIKE A CHILD.

Don’t you see the irony? You’re attacking the whole “problem” in the way an un-childlike grown-up would.

Exactly the opposite behaviour that you are trying to have.

Don’t think I am having a dig at you, I am not, from your posts it is clear that you are quite intelligent and thinking (sometimes that is a rare combination) but also I detect - and I might be wrong - a frequent undertone of frustration and anger.

Anyway, back on your original post regarding the childlike-adult, you might want to look at this book

Awakening the Heroes Within : Twelve Archetypes to Help Us Find Ourselves and Transform Our World
by Carol S. Pearson

Ignore the new-agish title, it is a good work based on Jung and is a hierachy of archetypes from the most infantile to the most mature, and the 12th one, the Fool, is probably what you are trying to describe and aspire to, and it is what people should be trying to aspire to.

I believe if you read that book then the concepts you are trying to describe, will be completely nailed. You can get it for $6 on amazon.

What the living fuck was all of this written for? To show that you read a couple of books? You wrote all of this to prove in some way that by discussing the act of avoiding becoming complacent somehow means I am in a rut? That makes zero sense regardless of how you philosophically massage it. The majority of the people on this planet become complacent in several aspects of their lives. It isn’t until they get awoken from some near death experience that most realize it. Why would anyone try to stop the discussion of it?

One thing is evident, I can learn something from anyone, even if that something is that your opinion means about as much to me as the mating habits of the south african dung beetle.
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