Straight and Gay Men Showering in the Military

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]
Can you two lovebirds quit your bickering, get a room and give in to that hot homo lust that is running through your every interaction?

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Am I the only one who thinks ironcross is a female?

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks ironcross is a female? [/quote]

Either that or wishes he was one.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks ironcross is a female? [/quote]

Lol. I am a female. It even says that in my hub, but it’s interesting to me that people often mistake me as male over the internet. This is far from the first time it’s happened.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

[/quote]

Ready to go back to their study of homosexuality?

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

[/quote]

Ready to go back to their study of homosexuality?[/quote]

I’m certainly ready for you to try to prove that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks ironcross is a female? [/quote]

Lol. I am a female. It even says that in my hub, but it’s interesting to me that people often mistake me as male over the internet. This is far from the first time it’s happened. [/quote]

LOL

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

[/quote]

Ready to go back to their study of homosexuality?[/quote]

I’m certainly ready for you to try to prove that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men. [/quote]

I’d love for you to find where I said that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men and am now convinced that you are indeed uninterested in having a real discussion.

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[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

[/quote]

Ready to go back to their study of homosexuality?[/quote]

I’m certainly ready for you to try to prove that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men. [/quote]

I’d love for you to find where I said that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men and am now convinced that you are indeed uninterested in having a real discussion.[/quote]

Zeb argues in circles and has no interest in having a real discussion.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]ironcross wrote:
Zeb- I can see why you like Johnson and Masters. Unfortunately, it’s highly likely that they lied about their conversation data.[/quote]

Why of course they’re liars. Who in the world would ever believe research by a duo that have been called a “contemporary phenomenon” for the work they’ve done in the research of human sexuality?

They’ve only sold something like 750,000 books, trained over 7,000 therapists and actually observed more than 10,000 actual orgasms (some jobs are better than others). Furthermore, they’ve helped some 2,500 sexually dysfunctional couples. And last year the board of their Reproductive Biology Research Foundation changed it’s name to the Masters and Johnson Institute!

So yeah…they must be liars because a 27 year old guy mouthing off on the Internet said so.

(I keep telling my wife that T Nation cannot be beaten for shear laughs – She’s starting to believe me after reading your posts- So thanks man!)
[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but contemporary researchers fudge their data all the time. That’s why we have ts process called “peer review”. I was hoping you’d already heard of it, but no matter. [/quote]

Yeah I did hear of it Captain Dim Wit. And Masters and Johnson have done hundreds of peer reviewed papers. And as I said they’re well published. Five books and over 750,000 sold in hard cover alone. But what do they know about human sexuality compared to (drum roll) YOU! after all you have that “friend” and everything so um…you must know what you’re talking about – lol

At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself. But please keep them coming as I pointed out earlier you are highly entertaining and that is my sole purpose for spending time with you.

:slight_smile:

[/quote]

I like how you completely erased and refused to address my point concerning their study on homosexuality.[/quote]

You refused to address my point on your initial idiotic statement that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men.

[/quote]

Ready to go back to their study of homosexuality?[/quote]

I’m certainly ready for you to try to prove that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men. [/quote]

I’d love for you to find where I said that heterosexual men enjoy sex with other men and am now convinced that you are indeed uninterested in having a real discussion.[/quote]

Zeb argues in circles and has no interest in having a real discussion.[/quote]

lol. I was warned, but I had to find out for myself :wink:

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^But he will have the last word.

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[quote]clip11 wrote:
For one i dont think open homosexuals should be in the military. But since they are, should a straight guy be forced to shower with them? The answer is no. For the same reason you wouldn’t make women shower with men. It has nothing to do with anatomy. Most adult men have seen tits and vagina and most adult women have seen a penis. It has to do with sexual attraction between the sexes. This is why women don’t shower with men. It is also why gay men shouldn’t shower with straight men.

As you know, in America today, political correctness reigns supreme. This is why gays are even allowed in the military. In reading about this topic on other forums, some of the answers disturbed me a great deal. One answer was “a straight guy should not be worried about a gay guy looking at him in the shower because guys look at each other all the time in the shower”. I thought is this person slow??? It’s about the intent, not the look, and more than likely if a gay man looks at a straight man in the shower, its with a sexual intent.

Another argument was “if a gay guy checks you out, you should take it as a compliment and quit being a bigot”. I think that most straight men would be disturbed about being the object of another mans sexual desire and would find it disgusting, not “take it as a compliment”. It makes it seem like if a straight guy who would find it repulsive to have a man desiring him, he (the straight guy) is the one with the problem. No most straight men would not “take that as a compliment”. Unless he’s been castrated by sensitivity training or political correctness. I think this is just another attempt to push homosexuality is everyone’s face. Is it now considered bigotry to not want another man flirting with you? Will it be considered hate and homophobia to for a straight man to only have sex with women?[/quote]

Good thread, Clip. Yeah, if some openly gay flaunter came into a community shower and came ANYWHERE near me, I’d knock him the fuck out.

Don’t mind gays, just not anywhere near me. Let them keep it behind the dumpsters or in the homo clubs.

As an aside: how can ANY man even think of doing vile stuff like that? That is outside of my imagination. Men actually do that stuff…jeez, like some kind of low animals.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
For one i dont think open homosexuals should be in the military. But since they are, should a straight guy be forced to shower with them? The answer is no. For the same reason you wouldn’t make women shower with men. It has nothing to do with anatomy. Most adult men have seen tits and vagina and most adult women have seen a penis. It has to do with sexual attraction between the sexes. This is why women don’t shower with men. It is also why gay men shouldn’t shower with straight men.

As you know, in America today, political correctness reigns supreme. This is why gays are even allowed in the military. In reading about this topic on other forums, some of the answers disturbed me a great deal. One answer was “a straight guy should not be worried about a gay guy looking at him in the shower because guys look at each other all the time in the shower”. I thought is this person slow??? It’s about the intent, not the look, and more than likely if a gay man looks at a straight man in the shower, its with a sexual intent.

Another argument was “if a gay guy checks you out, you should take it as a compliment and quit being a bigot”. I think that most straight men would be disturbed about being the object of another mans sexual desire and would find it disgusting, not “take it as a compliment”. It makes it seem like if a straight guy who would find it repulsive to have a man desiring him, he (the straight guy) is the one with the problem. No most straight men would not “take that as a compliment”. Unless he’s been castrated by sensitivity training or political correctness. I think this is just another attempt to push homosexuality is everyone’s face. Is it now considered bigotry to not want another man flirting with you? Will it be considered hate and homophobia to for a straight man to only have sex with women?[/quote]

Good thread, Clip. Yeah, if some openly gay flaunter came into a community shower and came ANYWHERE near me, I’d knock him the fuck out.

Don’t mind gays, just not anywhere near me. Let them keep it behind the dumpsters or in the homo clubs.

As an aside: how can ANY man even think of doing vile stuff like that? That is outside of my imagination. Men actually do that stuff…jeez, like some kind of low animals.
[/quote]
It can be rude and offensive but come on…

When they check out your cock and their eyes light up you know your pride swells. Even if you are offended.

That doesn’t happen to you?

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Looks around the room…

Hey there Christine, good job cheer leading for your cause, and there’s nothing wrong with that I do it too when I want to pound someone who does not agree with my world view…you know like you’re doing. It’s all good. And while I cannot speak for anyone else I will certainly give you the last word on this thread. Do you know why? Because you deserve it!

Ironcross my man…err woman.

It’s not me who is talking in circles. You began talking about your heterosexual friend who has sex with another man. When pushed you ran from that to the “arousal issue.” But that first point that you made is still hanging out there like a white elephant in a room full of little kittens.

Now how does a heterosexual male have sex with another male and you claim that he is not bisexual or homosexual? And that is was and will remain the point until you answer it to my satisfaction.

This is on our other thread too but here you go anyway, just to tickle your memory:

[quote]inroncross said:

I have already told you that I have a friend who achieved orgasm with another man…I think you’re ignoring the blatant point that I’ve made repeatedly, which is that STRAIGHT MEN HAVE ACHIEVED ORGASM WITH OTHER MEN. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE GAY.[/quote]

See you just cannot run fast enough away from stupid statements like that one can you?

And here is another gem:

Now I’ve already ridden you raw for saying this as well. But really it probably needs even more air time. Masters and Johnson “lied?” Because…YOU SAY SO! Bwahahaha…:slight_smile:

As for a serious discussion, you threw that one away when you started talking crazy and that was almost from the beginning.

Now Christine if Captain Dim Wit does not respond (she will) you can have the last word. And if she does respond I may still give you the last word because most of the fun has been squeezed out of this encounter

And one more thing, Christine is a very nice person.

Bye

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:
For one i dont think open homosexuals should be in the military. But since they are, should a straight guy be forced to shower with them? The answer is no. For the same reason you wouldn’t make women shower with men. It has nothing to do with anatomy. Most adult men have seen tits and vagina and most adult women have seen a penis. It has to do with sexual attraction between the sexes. This is why women don’t shower with men. It is also why gay men shouldn’t shower with straight men.

As you know, in America today, political correctness reigns supreme. This is why gays are even allowed in the military. In reading about this topic on other forums, some of the answers disturbed me a great deal. One answer was “a straight guy should not be worried about a gay guy looking at him in the shower because guys look at each other all the time in the shower”. I thought is this person slow??? It’s about the intent, not the look, and more than likely if a gay man looks at a straight man in the shower, its with a sexual intent.

Another argument was “if a gay guy checks you out, you should take it as a compliment and quit being a bigot”. I think that most straight men would be disturbed about being the object of another mans sexual desire and would find it disgusting, not “take it as a compliment”. It makes it seem like if a straight guy who would find it repulsive to have a man desiring him, he (the straight guy) is the one with the problem. No most straight men would not “take that as a compliment”. Unless he’s been castrated by sensitivity training or political correctness. I think this is just another attempt to push homosexuality is everyone’s face. Is it now considered bigotry to not want another man flirting with you? Will it be considered hate and homophobia to for a straight man to only have sex with women?[/quote]

Good thread, Clip. Yeah, if some openly gay flaunter came into a community shower and came ANYWHERE near me, I’d knock him the fuck out.

Don’t mind gays, just not anywhere near me. Let them keep it behind the dumpsters or in the homo clubs.

As an aside: how can ANY man even think of doing vile stuff like that? That is outside of my imagination. Men actually do that stuff…jeez, like some kind of low animals.
[/quote]

Yeah. This crap that straight guys should take sexual advances from a homo as a compliment is absurd. It gets even more absurd when the manhood of the straight guy gets questioned if he is repulsed by having another man be interested in him. Logically, you’d think it would be the opposite. But in pc land, up is down and down is up.

Btw, why do some people think im you???

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

Btw, why do some people think im you???
[/quote]

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)

Disclaimer: Lincoln was a corrupt, murdering mofo, but stupid, he was not.

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I think this thread is better left new to Clip, Zeb and Headhunter.

Maybe they can finally merge. (In a totally non gay way.)

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

Btw, why do some people think im you???
[/quote]

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)

Disclaimer: Lincoln was a corrupt, murdering mofo, but stupid, he was not. [/quote]

I heard he was gay??

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[quote]Christine wrote:
I think this thread is better left new to Clip, Zeb and Headhunter.

Maybe they can finally merge. (In a totally non gay way.)[/quote]

Merging in a non gay way…

The endless, endless, possibilities…

Oh well…