i wonder, why cold turkey? if you don’t mind!
I was on for 7 months before stopping. I stopped for 8-9 months. It didn’t help my anxiety being off, in fact it was the worst experience of my life. My anxiety got to levels I never thought were possible.
After 7 months being on TRT and enjoying every minute of it with no issues, I started to get really bad panic attacks. They would last all day and seemed to be physically sourced. This went on for a couple of weeks and my urologist who was prescribing my testosterone at the time said he’d never heard of that as a symptom and took me off of it. Turns out my E2 was sky high and was likely contributing to these symptoms. Unfortunately the urologist was unfamiliar with how to handle this situation. I was also on a garbage protocol but didn’t have the knowledge back then to help myself.
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thats what im afraid off. my endo prescribed 200 once every two weeks. i ask about high e2 stuff and they said that usually it doesnt happen and if it does they have meds for it.
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My ferritin was 148 in September before trt and dropped all the way to 23, then 19 a few weeks ago. I felt exactly the same at either number high or low. Why were you hospitalized at level 19?? I think people feel symptoms only if iron is low. On trt ferritin can get very low, with iron staying at healthy unchanged levels.
did you check your levels during the time off? did it went back to how they were before?
Please provide the link where you learned this. I’ve never heard so much bro-science in my life.
You can die from crashed ferritin. Well actually you suffocate. I think you should google ferritins job in the human body. Also injecting testosterone does not reduce ferritin.
Zero bro science. All real science.
“ TE also reduced serum ferritin 32% ( P = 0.002) within 3 mo of treatment initiation without altering iron, transferrin, or transferrin saturation. We conclude that TE stimulates erythropoiesis and alters iron homeostasis independently of the type II 5α-reductase enzyme. These results demonstrate that elevated DHT is not required for androgen-mediated erythropoiesis or for alterations in iron homeostasis that would appear to support iron incorporation into RBCs.”
“We also observed that TE administration resulted in suppressed serum ferritin without alterations in serum iron or transferrin. Collectively, these findings suggest that T regulates erythropoiesis and alters iron homeostasis in a manner that may not require action of the type II 5α-reductase enzyme or elevated systemic DHT.”
“ Interestingly, we also observed a large reduction in serum ferritin that occurred within 3 mo of TE administration and corroborates the findings of others suggesting that T increases iron utilization, likely as a result of increased erythropoiesis. Regardless, serum iron, transferrin, and transferrin saturation, common clinical markers of iron availability, were not altered significantly within this time frame.”
I was hospitalized twice for ferritin getting to 20. Both times caused shortness of breath and high blood pressure and heart rate. Heart rate went to 170 during rest my first time. And blood pressure 2nd time was 178/108. Now that I’m getting my ferritin up my blood pressure is 120s/80s or 130s/80s.
Interesting, does it say what dose was used for this study?
Dr. Saya wants both from me my next blood work. I always thought they went hand in hand.
The study was on sixty men over the age of 60 with weekly injections of 125mg a week. Nevermind I read it.
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That’s the protocol I was on. Combined with my low SHBG it was a recipe for disaster. What’s weird though is that I felt great on that protocol until the panic attacks came. I can’t even do 30mg every other day now without my body freaking out. No idea how I was injecting 200mg at a time and having no issues. Something changed in my body after the withdrawal. Never been the same since.
My levels before were in the 250’s to low 260’s. They never recovered. At my lowest, about 7 months after withdrawing, I was in the 120’s. I’ve never felt that bad in my life. I tried natural means to boost my levels and nothing worked, my urologist also refused to do any sort of PCT.
I think the only time low ferritin is a problem is when it’s also accompanied by low iron. When my ferritin was 19 my heart rate was between 58-112 (112 running around) with a resting heart rate of 62. Blood pressure in the range of 100/73. Ferritin doesn’t tell the whole story. If you felt sick there must’ve been a few more connected issues. The only time ferritin is high is if you’re body is storing high reserves of iron or you have inflammation. Testosterone lowers inflammation, and testosterone also quickly dips into those iron stores o create red blood cells at a rapid rate. Within the first 3 months. Now I’ve never donated blood. So your symptoms could’ve been due to blood donations which would sink both ferritin and iron.
Ya I’m sure its from blood donations. My ferritin first time in hospital was 22 and iron was 73. I then took iron supplements for 3 weeks but i needed another phloebotmy and my ferritin was 41 and iron was 103. I then did a phloebotomy and 6 days later back in hospital for ferritin being 20 again but my iron was 115.
Yah that make sense.