Sorry Bonez wasnt thinking out right was no a conference call at work. I have 6 OXO at home along with novaldex xt , and the tribulous pills. Are those worthy of a PCT?
[quote]Manic9803 wrote:
Sorry Bonez wasnt thinking out right was no a conference call at work. I have 6 OXO at home along with novaldex xt , and the tribulous pills. Are those worthy of a PCT?
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lol nope
novedex xt is NOT the same as NOLVADEX (Tamoxifen Citrate)
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
First off I see 2 methyl groups in there. That is bad news, as 1 methyl group will do plenty of damage to the liver on its own (if taken for a long enough period of time).
I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.
This thread belongs in the steroid forum.
The acne could be coming from any of the different compounds. This is one of the reasons why certain things should not be stacked. There is so little research on designer steroids that it makes it difficult to predict the side effect/gains ratio. [/quote]
lol Superdrol with Pheraplex is bad enough, then they threw in halodrol just for shits ???
Why make a triple methyl compound ? That is the stupidest shit I have ever seen in my life.
This is the reason PH were banned in the first place, people making absurd shit that hurts people.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
First off I see 2 methyl groups in there. That is bad news, as 1 methyl group will do plenty of damage to the liver on its own (if taken for a long enough period of time).
I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.
This thread belongs in the steroid forum.
The acne could be coming from any of the different compounds. This is one of the reasons why certain things should not be stacked. There is so little research on designer steroids that it makes it difficult to predict the side effect/gains ratio.
lol Superdrol with Pheraplex is bad enough, then they threw in halodrol just for shits ???
Why make a triple methyl compound ? That is the stupidest shit I have ever seen in my life.
This is the reason PH were banned in the first place, people making absurd shit that hurts people.[/quote]
I tried to edit my post twice already, but it won’t show up.
Apparently Superdrol was replaced with a ‘tren-like’ compound. So there is one less methyl to worry about but it was replaced by something that can potentially have bad sides as well (when combined with halodrol and pheraplex).
So the mixture is not as dangerous as thought?
I just logged back on to find this thread grew wings.
Bones is dead on with his analysis. SD is one of the strongest methylated PH’s on the market. Couple that with Pheraplex and H-Drol and you’ve got yourself a doozie.
There seems to be a trend lately with companies combining 2-3 different PH’s in a single dose.
Fucking madness.
OP,
As far as PCT is concerned, there are a few over the counter options that will work for a stand-a-lone cycle, but this batch will require the real goods.
If not, acne will soon be joined by loss of libido, lethargy, and perhaps some good ole’ fashioned gyno.
You’ve got yourself a good 'ole bathtub blend of h-drol, p-plex, and my least favorite PH of all time- “Tren”.
I seriously don’t think there is any PH that has a sides to gains ratio higher than “Tren”.
I’ve never taken H-drol, not exactly my cup of tea, and its pretty underdosed in this supplement IMO.
P-plex causes me to break out pretty badly, not that it makes a difference which of the compounds is breaking you out, but I’d put my money on that.
My advice, that you probably won’t take, is abort this cycle. I know you probably spent some ridiculous guap on this shit from GNC, but there are better PH’s out there that will probably be less harsh on your body.
You say that you’re pretty knowledgable about PH’s, and I know we all like to consider ourselves pretty knowledgable, but it seems your best thinking failed you on this one.
“Tren” provides very little gains in the four weeks that you would be taking it. Most people that run Tren run it for 6-8 weeks at doses of 75-100mg/day. You can’t do that with this because of the methyls.
I honestly don’t know what good 50 mg/day of H-drol is gonna do you, it might help you hit your goal of 195… if you weigh 193.
P-plex will get you big, but theres no reason in hell you should be taking it with two other compounds that aren’t gonna do you much good, but are going to shut you down harder, and are going to cause more sides.
If you do what I expect you to do, and continue to run this against everyones advice, get yourself an SERM. Even that is not going to save you from gyno, with these compounds. I have a slight case of gyno in my left nipple from “tren” (specifically trenaplex).
What is your past history w/ PH’s? What are your stats?
Sorry if any of this comes across as rude bro, I just want to emphatically state that I don’t think you’re gonna get what you want from this.
[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.
I just logged back on to find this thread grew wings.
Bones is dead on with his analysis. SD is one of the strongest methylated PH’s on the market. Couple that with Pheraplex and H-Drol and you’ve got yourself a doozie.
There seems to be a trend lately with companies combining 2-3 different PH’s in a single dose.
Fucking madness.
OP,
As far as PCT is concerned, there are a few over the counter options that will work for a stand-a-lone cycle, but this batch will require the real goods.
If not, acne will soon be joined by loss of libido, lethargy, and perhaps some good ole’ fashioned gyno.
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No superdrol. It was taken out and replaced. And I don’t think OTC supps are good for PCT even if only one steroid is being run at a time.
[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
I seriously don’t think there is any PH that has a sides to gains ratio higher than “Tren”.
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Not to hijack, but I have to agree with this statement 100%. I got some real nasty sides from Trenadrol.
Strength went through the roof, but I would never run it again…
So you guys suggest dropping this cycle? Do I need a PCT even though I only took 3 days worth of this? Can anyone recommend a better PH? I got a pill in front of me, I think its going back into the bottle and getting thrown out. I only spent 60$ I don’t mind tossing it out.
[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
What is your past history w/ PH’s? What are your stats?
Sorry if any of this comes across as rude bro, I just want to emphatically state that I don’t think you’re gonna get what you want from this.[/quote]
Thank you for you’re concerns.
My past history was Havoc and Trenavol (a body builder I am friends with) recommended these to me.
My stats, 5’9 177lbs not sure on my bf % it’s been about 6 months since it has been measured. Been lifting for 2 years or so, with a random month or so in between (vacation and being ill).
I wouldnt reccomend throwing it out as Phera is getting banned (might havealready been banned?)… So just put it away. But I def think you should stop using it.
You will not need PCT if you stop taking immediately.
What does your diet look like?
Clinical abortion to that cycle. Guess you can thank that acne for making you post here today. 3 days shouldn’t require a major PCT.
4 chloro 17a methyl androst-1, 4diene 25mg
Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-dione 20mg
17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol 10mg
Sorry guys but I’m seing it like this
halodren clone
tren wannabe
phera compound.
i could be wrong, but superdrol is not in there.
That tren compound is a nasty bitch and I’d stay far away from it. People have been coming into my store with no sex drive and bitch tits. Nobody really knows the exact reson why.
Phera and halodren seem to treat people right except for the methyl groups.
I’d highly suggest a REAL pct as others have said like real Nolvadex (tamoxifen) etc.
I know of some people who break out on the ‘tren’ crap, but if you haven’t been on that long I don’t think you’d see the sides right away. I could be wrong tho because these proH seem to treat everybody different.
Good luck.
DG
[quote]pavlovs vodka wrote:
What does your diet look like?[/quote]
I eat 7-8 chicken breast a day through out my day at work. With veggies, yams, fruits, and protein drinks. Usually clean meats, chicken mainly.
sorry Bone…just saw you already mentioned the tren replacing superdrol.
DG
[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
4 chloro 17a methyl androst-1, 4diene 25mg
Estra-4, 9-Diene-3, 17-dione 20mg
17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol 10mg
Sorry guys but I’m seing it like this
halodren clone
tren wannabe
phera compound.
i could be wrong, but superdrol is not in there.
That tren compound is a nasty bitch and I’d stay far away from it. People have been coming into my store with no sex drive and bitch tits. Nobody really knows the exact reson why.
Phera and halodren seem to treat people right except for the methyl groups.
I’d highly suggest a REAL pct as others have said like real Nolvadex (tamoxifen) etc.
I know of some people who break out on the ‘tren’ crap, but if you haven’t been on that long I don’t think you’d see the sides right away. I could be wrong tho because these proH seem to treat everybody different.
Good luck.
DG[/quote]
Do I need a PCT, considering I’ve only taken 5 pills? Two monday, two Tuesday and one this morning. I am DONE with this PH, I thank you all for helping me!
Can anyone recommend a better PH, or should I stay clear? I’m a hard gainer, I work, work, work, and work hard day in day out to gain mass/size and I’m toning up but I’ve seen others blow right past me in there attempt to gain mass/put on muscle mass.
You and I are similar size… and seem to have similar goals and diet. I eat pretty clean myself. One thing I can say is if you can tweak your diet/program for results… why not do that?
That being said… From my personal experience superdrol and its clones are the best bang for your buck PH. I gain 10-15 lbs on s-drol. The strength gains are fantastic.
S-drol, and IMO the only PH’s that are worth a fuck are methylated steroids. They’re called prohormones, but its just a fancy way of saying “A steroid the feds have yet to ban”. The fact that they’re methylated means that they’re hepatoxic. Any methylated oral needs to be run with some sort of liver support. On my next cycle (m-drol, an s-drol clone, and epistane) I will be using milk thistle, liv-52, and trying something called sam-e for the first time.
These PH’s wreak havoc on your endocrine profile. There is some educated speculation that some of these PH’s shut down natural test production worse and longer than their AAS counterparts. As a result of this, your PCT needs to be well thought out. An SERM like Novla or Torem will need to be run for at least 4 weeks following your cycle. You can also throw in a natty test booster if you wish. OTC PCT will not cut it.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
First off I see 2 methyl groups in there. That is bad news, as 1 methyl group will do plenty of damage to the liver on its own (if taken for a long enough period of time).
I believe that product is a combo or 2 or 3 steroids; Superdrol, Pheraplex, Halodrol. Maybe only 2 of the 3, I’m not completely sure.
This thread belongs in the steroid forum.
The acne could be coming from any of the different compounds. This is one of the reasons why certain things should not be stacked. There is so little research on designer steroids that it makes it difficult to predict the side effect/gains ratio.
lol Superdrol with Pheraplex is bad enough, then they threw in halodrol just for shits ???
Why make a triple methyl compound ? That is the stupidest shit I have ever seen in my life.
This is the reason PH were banned in the first place, people making absurd shit that hurts people.[/quote]
the second PH on that list is said to be a tren-like precurser its to harden you up while taking the PP and the superdrol which will cause bloat
thast what I read i have no experiance with PHs I use real gear personally
better results less sides.
I see this product as bad all around
youll get estro sides and progestin sides from this PH I think.