Specter Becomes Democrat

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Republicans voted for the bailout. But I will say that most voted against Obama’s budget. I think all of the Senate Rebpublicans did. So, I guess it’s fair to say that their degree of ‘malfeasance’ is less. Incidentally, Specter voted against the budget.

Right…voted against it…and are prepared to spend the money faster than a Frat Boy on Spring Break…

Just this morning, The State if Utah…the State of Ultra-Conservative Orrin Hatch, and perhaps the most Conservative State in the Union…announced the greatest road construction expansion in the States history.

I understand that they even have those electronic signs up stating that the expansion is funded by the American Stimulus and Recovery Act.

Make of that what you may…but the words I would use are 1) hypocrisy and 2) demagoguery.

(Not to pick on just Utah…this is happening all over the U.S.)

Mufasa

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Not to say that you are wrong Mufasa, but a least the work has been given to Utah based companies or companies with a significant Utah presence.

A lot of people are getting ready to go to work…make no mistake, Utah is 90% GOP, but we are also heavily invested in construction. Huntsman will spend the cash, no question about that.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Republicans voted for the bailout. But I will say that most voted against Obama’s budget. I think all of the Senate Rebpublicans did. So, I guess it’s fair to say that their degree of ‘malfeasance’ is less. Incidentally, Specter voted against the budget.

Right…voted against it…and are prepared to spend the money faster than a Frat Boy on Spring Break…

Just this morning, The State if Utah…the State of Ultra-Conservative Orrin Hatch, and perhaps the most Conservative State in the Union…announced the greatest road construction expansion in the States history.

I understand that they even have those electronic signs up stating that the expansion is funded by the American Stimulus and Recovery Act.

Make of that what you may…but the words I would use are 1) hypocrisy and 2) demagoguery.

(Not to pick on just Utah…this is happening all over the U.S.)

Mufasa

Not to say that you are wrong Mufasa, but a least the work has been given to Utah based companies or companies with a significant Utah presence.

A lot of people are getting ready to go to work…make no mistake, Utah is 90% GOP, but we are also heavily invested in construction. Huntsman will spend the cash, no question about that.
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Lama:

Huntsman seems like a pretty “even-handed” guy who navigates the “political mindfield” pretty well. (I’ve heard a couple of speeches given by him).

Seems like the GOP should look at guys like him instead of Palin and Louisiana’s Governor.

But they won’t. The extreme Religious Right Wing of the party will bring up the Mormon thing, guaranteed.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Republicans voted for the bailout. But I will say that most voted against Obama’s budget. I think all of the Senate Rebpublicans did. So, I guess it’s fair to say that their degree of ‘malfeasance’ is less. Incidentally, Specter voted against the budget.

Right…voted against it…and are prepared to spend the money faster than a Frat Boy on Spring Break…

Just this morning, The State if Utah…the State of Ultra-Conservative Orrin Hatch, and perhaps the most Conservative State in the Union…announced the greatest road construction expansion in the States history.

I understand that they even have those electronic signs up stating that the expansion is funded by the American Stimulus and Recovery Act.

Make of that what you may…but the words I would use are 1) hypocrisy and 2) demagoguery.

(Not to pick on just Utah…this is happening all over the U.S.)

Mufasa

Not to say that you are wrong Mufasa, but a least the work has been given to Utah based companies or companies with a significant Utah presence.

A lot of people are getting ready to go to work…make no mistake, Utah is 90% GOP, but we are also heavily invested in construction. Huntsman will spend the cash, no question about that.

Lama:

Huntsman seems like a pretty “even-handed” guy who navigates the “political mindfield” pretty well. (I’ve heard a couple of speeches given by him).

Seems like the GOP should look at guys like him instead of Palin and Louisiana’s Governor.

But they won’t. The extreme Religious Right Wing of the party will bring up the Mormon thing, guaranteed.

Mufasa

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Very true.

Huntsman has a very open mind for a Utah Governor. He has repealed many of the arcane liquor and blue laws that were still on the books and has made Utah a pretty hot vacation destination. He has the support of the majority of the Democrats in the state (Salt Lake City is 60% Democrat).

And yes as a fairly middle of the road Republican I would love to see him run for President.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Right…voted against it…and are prepared to spend the money faster than a Frat Boy on Spring Break…

Just this morning, The State if Utah…the State of Ultra-Conservative Orrin Hatch, and perhaps the most Conservative State in the Union…announced the greatest road construction expansion in the States history.

I understand that they even have those electronic signs up stating that the expansion is funded by the American Stimulus and Recovery Act.

Make of that what you may…but the words I would use are 1) hypocrisy and 2) demagoguery.

(Not to pick on just Utah…this is happening all over the U.S.)

Mufasa

That’s because, to many, the smell of money is more fragrant than liberty.

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This is a tricky subject. If the money is going to be spent anyway, shouldn’t a state representative make sure his tax paying constituents get the best use of the money that is going to be taken from them anyway?

The mistake was passing the bill. The money is now going to be spent. Do you want your tax dollars spent in your state or another state.

I have the same issue with all the earmark bashing. The crime is that the money is in the budget, not state representatives trying to get their share. The crime is the fed taking large amounts of money out of the states, not the states trying to get some back.

[quote]Jeff R wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
Hey, Mufasa.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words:

I encourage everyone to look at that picture.

I want everyone to think about who the CBO is. I want you to think about the “worse than projected” GDP report from yesterday, worsening unemployment, and think about the effect on that chart.

JeffR

I look at that picture and see two things:

  1. It looks as if we might’ve actually had a surplus in 2008 if not for those hare-brained bailouts to finish the year.

  2. I seem to see a stronger correlation between spending and one party domination of Washington, either party, than spending-going-up-for-Dems and spending-going-down-for-GOP.

It’s true that the Dems are worse offenders than the GOP, but the Reps haven’t been true defenders of small government and fiscal responsibility for many, many years.

The Dems actually serve the interests of many of their constituents, however misguided, which is why they’re in power. The GOP has firmly cemented themselves as “The Lesser Evil”, and that’s why nobody really likes them. Not even their constituents.

Exactly the point.

While the GOP and Dems may differ in their public rhetoric; and while they may, on some issues, vote differently (and that actually depends on what is to the greatest advantage for the individual Congressman or Senator)…they simply don’t differ that much in how much spending they support.

Even the most conservative people on this Forum recognize that.

Mufasa

tTy/mufasa/jsbrook:

Are you looking at the same chart? Saying that “they don’t simply differ that much in how much spending they support” is like saying there’s not much difference between a 100 and a 900 pound deadlift. Or, tme’s johnson is kind of like John Holmes’. Or, poindexter’s arm looks kind of like Arnold’s circa 1975.

LOOK AT THE CHART!!!

For clarification, if one of you leftie’s said that “both parties are guilty of spending irresponsibly” I’d agree.

But, when you attempt to compare the DEGREE of malfeasance, it’s Apple’s and Oranges.

Again, see chart.

JeffR

Where is this chart you’re speaking of?

It’s in the text you just sent.

But, I’m feeling charitable: Photobucket | The safer way to store your photos

JeffR

It says something. But not sure that there can be a truly good comparison. You’d need to compare a ruling Republican’s budget after the financial criss and a Democrat’s budget after the financial crisis. Pretty ner impossible. Bush was on his way out.

Republicans voted for the bailout. But I will say that most voted against Obama’s budget. I think all of the Senate Rebpublicans did. So, I guess it’s fair to say that their degree of ‘malfeasance’ is less. Incidentally, Specter voted against the budget.

Thanks for your response and checking out the chart.

I would suggest that the recession that Bush inherited and his response to it would give a pretty clear indication of the difference.

JeffR

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Well, I will leave his many substantive policies and positions out of this. Because we’re not going to agree on those. But Bush spent like a drunken sailor when the country was in much better shape than it is now. I’m not sure how anyone can dispute that.