[quote]Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film… But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.
The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin’, is a serious goosebump moment.[/quote]
+1
If you haven’t seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film… But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.
The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin’, is a serious goosebump moment.[/quote]
+1
If you haven’t seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should. [/quote]
All right dammit, that’s it, I’m in. Book or TV series first?
I rarely say this, but you can’t go wrong with the series first (full disclosure: I have never read the book…gonna have to hit that after I finish my current John Ringo series). Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones are pure magic.
jjrackrash - Sad to say, I’ve seen Sheriff a million times, but never seen Gunfighter. Of course, not on Netflix. I’ll have to find that and watch it.
bond james bond - Can’t take full credit for that. I have a grandfather who is a huge film buff. He sat me down at a pretty young age to watch a lot of those classics, and told me the trivia I shared. On a side note - if you haven’t seen The Great Escape, it’s a must see. Lot of great actors - Steve McQueen, Charles Bronson, Sir Richard Attenborough, David McCallum (he now plays Ducky on NCIS), James Coburn. Great movie all around.
And it’s been mentioned a few times, but Unforgiven is an amazing modern western. Eastwood obviously paid attention on all those film sets over the years.
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
have you seen the Mexico Trilogy by Robert Rodriguez? El Mariachi, Desperado, and Once Upon a Time in Mexico. I’m not sure if it qualifies as a modern western. El Mariachi was his first film. took 2 weeks and $7,000. it’s my favorite of the trilogy.
Infact I have, though I never really went into it thinking of it as a Western. Of course I’m sure it is, but it just seems like something I couldn’t quite classify fully into the genre, at least just for myself.[/quote]
I too favour El Mariachi, I thought the second and third were far inferior to it, though I somewhat enjoyed both to an extent, they left a lot on the table that couldn’t be fulfilled even close to the way El Mariachi did with them. I love the low budget appeal of it, I tend to be intrigued by a good “B-Movie” when they come along. I’d consider Peter Jackson’s early, early work to be my introduction to that appreciation.[/quote]
a lot of good movies are passed by because of the low budget tag or the actors.
I like Tom Selleck in westerns. Quigly Down Under was excellent as was Last Stand at Sabre River.
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I have the triliogy but have yet to watch El Mariachi. Once upon a time in Mexico is one of my all time favorite movies though. And as far as Westerns go, for me Tombstone is still king and I frequently find ways to work “I’ll be ya huckleberry” into my day to day conversations.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Really I only ask for Spaghetti Western to give myself a break from the “Hoo-rah!” Americanisms…
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Then go get some counseling.
Westerns are distinctly, inherently American (with some Mexican obviously) and they SHOULD come replete with “Americanisms.” We invented, groomed and own the genre.
Hoo-rah.
I do enjoy the Leone films. The Dollars/GB&U trilogy (saw all three films in one night back to back at a drive in theater the first time) is awesome and takes me back instantly to my childhood. I practiced a lot of quick draws with my Daisy BB gun “revolver.”
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Hmm, I understand the pride in creating a definable era, but I just need to not have it be stacked right in front of my face all the time, at least for a couple movies in between. I like that the spaghetti westerns get by on their own merits without drawing that in as a cliche, that I can avert my attention away from that and towards the task at hand instead of be distracted by blunt, cheesy nationalism.
I’m sure were I American and even remotely patriotic I would handle it much differently, but as I am I just see it rather humorous, and maybe even a little unsettling. I don’t think I can take it seriously enough as it is to treat the films the way they really deserve, at least when it’s strongly present. Almost like a late nineteenth century equivalent of strapping Betsy Ross with high power Texan explosives, firing her up into the air from a Star-spangled cannon and exploding her into a picturesque display of the stars and stripes.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
Really I only ask for Spaghetti Western to give myself a break from the “Hoo-rah!” Americanisms…
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Then go get some counseling.
Westerns are distinctly, inherently American (with some Mexican obviously) and they SHOULD come replete with “Americanisms.” We invented, groomed and own the genre.
Hoo-rah.
I do enjoy the Leone films. The Dollars/GB&U trilogy (saw all three films in one night back to back at a drive in theater the first time) is awesome and takes me back instantly to my childhood. I practiced a lot of quick draws with my Daisy BB gun “revolver.”
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Naaaaa…
Those are stories, from a certain time, and all that Ra-Ra stuff is a bit eery unless you are already a true believer.
The Spaghetti approach was a new take on it that got taken up by American filmmakers.
Nice list DBCooper and gang.
I’m afraid the guys who recommended “blazing saddles” and “the three amigos” shall roast slowly in the stinkiest of hells.
a personal top-5 spaghetti western not mentioned yet:
“Il Grande Silenzio” , by Sergio Corbucci, starring the immortal Kinski.
Make sure to avoid the american pussycut!
Like with Blade Runner or other movies, some twat-producers decided to disney an otherwise excellent flic up.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nice list DBCooper and gang.
I’m afraid the guys who recommended “blazing saddles” and “the three amigos” shall roast slowly in the stinkiest of hells.
a personal top-5 spaghetti western not mentioned yet:
“Il Grande Silenzio” , by Sergio Corbucci, starring the immortal Kinski.
Make sure to avoid the american pussycut!
Like with Blade Runner or other movies, some twat-producers decided to disney an otherwise excellent flic up.
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seriously? blazing saddles simply showed the unvarnished truth about the hardships that the American Cowboy endured eating all those damn beans. my GOD! where’s your empathy?
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nice list DBCooper and gang.
I’m afraid the guys who recommended “blazing saddles” and “the three amigos” shall roast slowly in the stinkiest of hells.
a personal top-5 spaghetti western not mentioned yet:
“Il Grande Silenzio” , by Sergio Corbucci, starring the immortal Kinski.
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he’s the guy who fucked his own daughter?
[quote]RampantBadger wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Nice list DBCooper and gang.
I’m afraid the guys who recommended “blazing saddles” and “the three amigos” shall roast slowly in the stinkiest of hells.
a personal top-5 spaghetti western not mentioned yet:
“Il Grande Silenzio” , by Sergio Corbucci, starring the immortal Kinski.
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he’s the guy who fucked his own daughter?[/quote]
Can you imagine being sexually assaulted by Klaus Kinski? In his Lope costume? Or god forbid the Nosferatu/Dracula costume?
(Makes Aguirre seem a little creepier, because of the ending line about marrying his own daughter.)
Meh, I don’t believe this for one second.
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film… But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.
The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin’, is a serious goosebump moment.[/quote]
+1
If you haven’t seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should. [/quote]
All right dammit, that’s it, I’m in. Book or TV series first? [/quote]
I haven’t seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I’ve ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L’amour, even though he’s not the best writer…but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film… But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.
The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin’, is a serious goosebump moment.[/quote]
+1
If you haven’t seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should. [/quote]
All right dammit, that’s it, I’m in. Book or TV series first? [/quote]
I haven’t seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I’ve ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L’amour, even though he’s not the best writer…but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.[/quote]
Books it is. You got me at Pulitzer.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Nards wrote:
[quote]bond james bond wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]Irish Daza wrote:
Not Spaghetti, and not a film… But The miniseries The Lonesome Dove is a must.
The scene where the cavalry scout horsewhips Newt, and McCall comes a runnin’, is a serious goosebump moment.[/quote]
+1
If you haven’t seen the Lonesome Dove miniseries, you should. [/quote]
All right dammit, that’s it, I’m in. Book or TV series first? [/quote]
I haven’t seen all of the mini-series, but the book is part of the best Western story I’ve ever read.
I mean I have a soft spot for Louis L’amour, even though he’s not the best writer…but the Lonesome Dove books read really smooth, and the first one, Lonesome Dove won the Pulitzer prize.[/quote]
Yes, the book is outstanding.
99% of the time a book is better than its subsequent movie and when one reads the book first the movie typically is “spoiled.” However, watching Lonesome Dove first allows one to picture Duvall and Jones when one reads the book and that is a “good thing.”
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Dammit Push, you just had to speak up lol. I had my mind made up!