'Soviet' Britain Swells Amid the Recession

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Magarhe wrote:
I have only been here 2 years, but it took 6 weeks to realise this country is a mess, with whacky laws, bad customer service, lazy people.

I have never seen such lack of education, laziness, slack workers - in most sectors, except medicine, where the standards are high (but they work less than in Oz).

I never said anything bad about immigrants here (you confused someone else’s post at the end of mine) - the immigrants are holding this place together it seems. I know a lot of immigrants here and everyone agrees the british are mostly lazy and incompetant.

NOW don’t get me wrong, the british are very nice people. And at first it made me mad, but after 2 years fighting the ridiculous red tape in this place, I realise everyone has just given up. I can’t imagine what it would be like spending a lifetime here. I don’t know how they kept their spirits up.

But my point is this place needs a complete overhaul. Or a kick in the ass. Not the people, but the intangible mess that is the fabric of law.

It won’t happen.

The banking sector will further collapse, and will move offshore, leaving London as a quaint tourist attraction.

The pound will collapse further, and since nearly everything is imported ie food, cost of living will soar. Even more.

This place needs to be restructured. It won’t happen except by natural forces.

This is a bit extreme but for the most part a pretty fair assesment.[/quote]

Magarhe, in these two years that you have spent in England may i ask what made you come to these conclusions?

Yes the pound is struggling but is that not expected in these times?

As for lack of british exports, i know we dont export as much as we did but i think you would be suprised how much we still do, heres a few;

Football
Music
Medicine
Alcohol
litriture
Arts
Finance

Now laziness and slack workers? I can understand why you would think this but Britain clocks up some of the highest work hours in the EU and more than OZ…(though the study I read was from 2005).

Now the immigrants situation, though i agree they bring a lot to this country (the legal ones) but there is around 430,000 (known) Illegal immigrants here, so yes, some are helping to keep this place together but a lot arnt.

Pluss what makes you say our law is “whakey”?

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I’m confused. Islam has been the party calling for the Jews to be killed all over the West for the past month or so - not the BNP. Have you paid any attention to the anti-Israel rallies that we’ve documented here? Didn’t the BNP come out in support of Israel against the Palestinians?

Say what you want about their “whites only” policy (the indigenous British are white, in case you didn’t know), but I think it’s pretty much impossible to draw a moral equivalence between the Jews of 1938 Europe and the Muslims of 21st century Europe. The latter are the ones calling for the deaths of Jews, not the BNP. Muhammad himself was a rabid Jew-killer. Funny that you don’t seem to be able to pay attention to all of the “Death to Jews” rallies fomented by the Muslims over the past 4 weeks, but you can show up on these threads to draw these ridiculous comparisons.

Were the BNP actually Nazis, as the term is historically understood, they would be rallying in support of the Palestinians with the Muslims, as other European Nazi groups have done. Given all of the negative things Winston Churchill had to say about Islam, no doubt you’d be condemning him as well, were he alive today.

I know how loathsome it is for a group of white people to stick up for themselves, however. We certainly can’t have that.

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Things change over time. ie Nick Griffin changed his position on the Holocaust back in 2006.

lol waaay back in 2006, what a bold move.

nominating someone who is non-british/white doesn’t mean you’re not racist becuase you only did so believing they’re 100% “assimilated” into white British culture, i.e. a white person.

reeks of sambo

a few good gems off the BNP website

“British Nationalism - the only way out of the global chaos.” It’s like Germany all over again.

“he introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin.” Hah voluntary.

John Tyndall-“Mein Kampf is my bible”

deputy leader Richard Edmonds- “We are 100 per cent racist, yes”
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Do you have a link to those gems from the BNP website?

I did found this link for Edmonds.

Further controversy came in 1993 when he told The Guardian’s Duncan Campbell that ‘we [the BNP] are 100% racist’.

Edmonds held the position of National Organiser until 1999 when he was forced to resign following the victory of Nick Griffin in the leadership election.

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comments made waaay back in the late 90s so they dont count right? [/quote]

I didn’t say those comments don’t count. But it does appear that afterwards he was forced out of the party when the present leader Nick Clegg became the party leader.

What I have noticed is they have changed their rhetoric and have gone much more mainstream. They have been able to gain members because Labour has refused to listen to the indigenous peoples legitimate concerns about Labour policy of unrestricted immigration and the Tories don’t appear to be interested in doing much different if they come to power.

You are ignoring the fact that when anyone questions what Labour is doing to their homeland they are soundly denounced as a racist and xenophobes which therefore makes them unworthy of listening to.

Here is today’s latest example of people being called xenophobes by Labour.

Wildcat strikes threaten to escalate after Lord Mandelson calls protests ‘xenophobic’

He had earlier rebuked an interviewer asking questions about workers’ concerns, saying: “Stop feeding this xenophobia.”

In Britain calling people who disagree with Labour racist has become so commonplace the term has lost much of it’s meaning. It is now a label of political affiliation as much as anything else.

Back in December Labour made it legal for employers to discriminate on basis of skin color when hiring. So why is it that you don’t call Labour a racist party? Surely they must be a more racist party than the BNP if they are using their position of power to see to it that actual discrimination on basis of skin color is legal, sanctioned by the government and taking place. So why the double standard?

Queen's Speech: Firms free to favour female and black job applicants | Daily Mail Online

Not at all. The Jews are a distinct ethnic racial group. Islam is an ideology. You can’t accuse of racism for being opposed to an ideology that promotes hatred and prejudice as a way to serve god. Besides the Jews do not behave like the Muslims do and they never had the numbers to change the countries demographics and destroy the culture.

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Fuck you. The Klan was formed for the purpose of disenfranchising American citizens and they have an extensive history of violence. The BNP was formed as a response to a governmental policy of mass immigration from the third world that was dispossessing working class families from their homes. So the comparison is not basically accurate.

The BNP was formed to give a front to neo-nazi activities that date back to Mosely and beyond. the comparison is accurate, deal with it.

By Mosley I assume you mean Oswald Mosley. Mosley was active way back in the 40’s. That was over 60 years ago. Labour and Tories aren’t like they were back then. Neither is the modern BNP which was founded in 1980. Things change over time. ie Nick Griffin changed his position on the Holocaust back in 2006.[/quote]

Do you think he changed his position truly and honestly in his heart or do you think that he was advised to say some different things in order to win votes?

I guess to you being a hateful bigoted racist gay basher is fine as long as you say the right things…

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[quote]SpartanX wrote:
You have to be white to be a member! The BNP’s racism is exhaustively proven, no one is inventing this shit. Britain has a broken two (plus one) party system. So do we. That doesn’t make open racists the alternative. You can’t be this dense.

You have to be Muslim to be a member of a Muslim political association in England or Sikh, Hindi or otherwise Desi etcetera. What’s the problem in requirin poeple be ethnically Britishers for their party entrance?

It’s only wrong when it is natives doing it?[/quote]

Try defining what is natively British and you will either include everyone or exclude pretty much everyone. There has been too much imigration over too large a period of time to put a pin in a gene map and say ‘This is British.’

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Food and drink are pretty high up on our exports as are arms. We are also leaders in engineering, finance (London being the largest financial centre in the world) and pharmaceuticals.

220 billion pounds of export in 2007 or almost a third of the size of US exports which given that our debt is a tenth of yours actually puts the country in a stronger financial position.

Our debt is double our exports, your debt is 10 times your exports.

You obviously haven’t looked into export figures. More specifically what they exclude. America’s largest export doesn’t show up in official statitics. Our debt is probably more like 4 times exports.

Interesting, what is excluded?

The entire service industry. Our largest export. If it is not a hard product, it is not included.
[/quote]

Ok but is it included in the UK figures? This is also a huge export for the UK.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

for this party Islam is the new Judaism. But theyre still the same racists.

I’m confused. Islam has been the party calling for the Jews to be killed all over the West for the past month or so - not the BNP. Have you paid any attention to the anti-Israel rallies that we’ve documented here? Didn’t the BNP come out in support of Israel against the Palestinians?

Say what you want about their “whites only” policy (the indigenous British are white, in case you didn’t know), but I think it’s pretty much impossible to draw a moral equivalence between the Jews of 1938 Europe and the Muslims of 21st century Europe. The latter are the ones calling for the deaths of Jews, not the BNP. Muhammad himself was a rabid Jew-killer. Funny that you don’t seem to be able to pay attention to all of the “Death to Jews” rallies fomented by the Muslims over the past 4 weeks, but you can show up on these threads to draw these ridiculous comparisons.

Were the BNP actually Nazis, as the term is historically understood, they would be rallying in support of the Palestinians with the Muslims, as other European Nazi groups have done. Given all of the negative things Winston Churchill had to say about Islam, no doubt you’d be condemning him as well, were he alive today.

I know how loathsome it is for a group of white people to stick up for themselves, however. We certainly can’t have that. [/quote]

Please define for me what is a British Indigenous person? Are you talking about People who can trace their DNA back to before the last Ice Age (less than 21% of the population) or would you rule them out because almost 100% of males in the country can trace their bloodline back to Anglo Saxon immigrants?

Of course from a couple of thousand years ago there was a lot of interbreeding when the Roman Immigrants turned up.

Then you have the French immigrants arriving after 1066.

Of course even if you take the earliest of these mitochondrial lines you can trace them back to the middle east so, what was your point again?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

for this party Islam is the new Judaism. But theyre still the same racists.

I’m confused. Islam has been the party calling for the Jews to be killed all over the West for the past month or so - not the BNP. Have you paid any attention to the anti-Israel rallies that we’ve documented here? Didn’t the BNP come out in support of Israel against the Palestinians?

Say what you want about their “whites only” policy (the indigenous British are white, in case you didn’t know), but I think it’s pretty much impossible to draw a moral equivalence between the Jews of 1938 Europe and the Muslims of 21st century Europe. The latter are the ones calling for the deaths of Jews, not the BNP. Muhammad himself was a rabid Jew-killer. Funny that you don’t seem to be able to pay attention to all of the “Death to Jews” rallies fomented by the Muslims over the past 4 weeks, but you can show up on these threads to draw these ridiculous comparisons.

Were the BNP actually Nazis, as the term is historically understood, they would be rallying in support of the Palestinians with the Muslims, as other European Nazi groups have done. Given all of the negative things Winston Churchill had to say about Islam, no doubt you’d be condemning him as well, were he alive today.

I know how loathsome it is for a group of white people to stick up for themselves, however. We certainly can’t have that. [/quote]

Why does it have to be about colour, religion or country? Why can we not just talk about people regardless of where they are from or what colour their skin is? Why is that so difficult?

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[quote]Sifu wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Things change over time. ie Nick Griffin changed his position on the Holocaust back in 2006.

lol waaay back in 2006, what a bold move.

nominating someone who is non-british/white doesn’t mean you’re not racist becuase you only did so believing they’re 100% “assimilated” into white British culture, i.e. a white person.

reeks of sambo

a few good gems off the BNP website

“British Nationalism - the only way out of the global chaos.” It’s like Germany all over again.

“he introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin.” Hah voluntary.

John Tyndall-“Mein Kampf is my bible”

deputy leader Richard Edmonds- “We are 100 per cent racist, yes”

Do you have a link to those gems from the BNP website?

I did found this link for Edmonds.

Further controversy came in 1993 when he told The Guardian’s Duncan Campbell that ‘we [the BNP] are 100% racist’.

Edmonds held the position of National Organiser until 1999 when he was forced to resign following the victory of Nick Griffin in the leadership election.

comments made waaay back in the late 90s so they dont count right?

I didn’t say those comments don’t count. But it does appear that afterwards he was forced out of the party when the present leader Nick Clegg became the party leader.

What I have noticed is they have changed their rhetoric and have gone much more mainstream. They have been able to gain members because Labour has refused to listen to the indigenous peoples legitimate concerns about Labour policy of unrestricted immigration and the Tories don’t appear to be interested in doing much different if they come to power.

You are ignoring the fact that when anyone questions what Labour is doing to their homeland they are soundly denounced as a racist and xenophobes which therefore makes them unworthy of listening to.

Here is today’s latest example of people being called xenophobes by Labour.

Wildcat strikes threaten to escalate after Lord Mandelson calls protests ‘xenophobic’

He had earlier rebuked an interviewer asking questions about workers’ concerns, saying: “Stop feeding this xenophobia.”

In Britain calling people who disagree with Labour racist has become so commonplace the term has lost much of it’s meaning. It is now a label of political affiliation as much as anything else.

Back in December Labour made it legal for employers to discriminate on basis of skin color when hiring. So why is it that you don’t call Labour a racist party? Surely they must be a more racist party than the BNP if they are using their position of power to see to it that actual discrimination on basis of skin color is legal, sanctioned by the government and taking place. So why the double standard?

Queen's Speech: Firms free to favour female and black job applicants | Daily Mail Online

for this party Islam is the new Judaism. But theyre still the same racists.

Not at all. The Jews are a distinct ethnic racial group. Islam is an ideology. You can’t accuse of racism for being opposed to an ideology that promotes hatred and prejudice as a way to serve god. Besides the Jews do not behave like the Muslims do and they never had the numbers to change the countries demographics and destroy the culture.

[/quote]

Did you even read the telegraph piece? Seems like if you did you didn’t understand it, best stick to the Mail. Shorter words and more pictures.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

for this party Islam is the new Judaism. But theyre still the same racists.

I’m confused. Islam has been the party calling for the Jews to be killed all over the West for the past month or so - not the BNP. Have you paid any attention to the anti-Israel rallies that we’ve documented here? Didn’t the BNP come out in support of Israel against the Palestinians?

Say what you want about their “whites only” policy (the indigenous British are white, in case you didn’t know), but I think it’s pretty much impossible to draw a moral equivalence between the Jews of 1938 Europe and the Muslims of 21st century Europe. The latter are the ones calling for the deaths of Jews, not the BNP. Muhammad himself was a rabid Jew-killer. Funny that you don’t seem to be able to pay attention to all of the “Death to Jews” rallies fomented by the Muslims over the past 4 weeks, but you can show up on these threads to draw these ridiculous comparisons.

Were the BNP actually Nazis, as the term is historically understood, they would be rallying in support of the Palestinians with the Muslims, as other European Nazi groups have done. Given all of the negative things Winston Churchill had to say about Islam, no doubt you’d be condemning him as well, were he alive today.

I know how loathsome it is for a group of white people to stick up for themselves, however. We certainly can’t have that.

Please define for me what is a British Indigenous person? Are you talking about People who can trace their DNA back to before the last Ice Age (less than 21% of the population) or would you rule them out because almost 100% of males in the country can trace their bloodline back to Anglo Saxon immigrants?

Of course from a couple of thousand years ago there was a lot of interbreeding when the Roman Immigrants turned up.

Then you have the French immigrants arriving after 1066.

Of course even if you take the earliest of these mitochondrial lines you can trace them back to the middle east so, what was your point again?[/quote]

My point is pretty clear. What’s your point?

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PRCalDude, they took 7 ‘white’ guys with a rare surname from small villages in yorkshire who had no knowledge of their ancestors ever living anywhere but yorkshire (for anyone who doesn’t know small villages in Yorkshire, we are talking places where people grow up live and die without ever visiting a major city.)

They traced back their mitochondrial DNA and were able to prove that within the last 2,000 years they had ancesotrs from West Africa.

My point is that to start making policies based on the colour of someones skin is an absolute nonsense.

Anyone who starts talking about the indigenous people of the Britain has no knowledge of the history of Britain.

Mind you, you are the guy who thinks that all Muslims are guilty of terrorism by association and it is fine to lock them up without trial.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude, they took 7 ‘white’ guys with a rare surname from small villages in yorkshire who had no knowledge of their ancestors ever living anywhere but yorkshire (for anyone who doesn’t know small villages in Yorkshire, we are talking places where people grow up live and die without ever visiting a major city.)

They traced back their mitochondrial DNA and were able to prove that within the last 2,000 years they had ancesotrs from West Africa.

My point is that to start making policies based on the colour of someones skin is an absolute nonsense.

Anyone who starts talking about the indigenous people of the Britain has no knowledge of the history of Britain.

Mind you, you are the guy who thinks that all Muslims are guilty of terrorism by association and it is fine to lock them up without trial.[/quote]

When did I say that? When are we going to resolve our dispute regarding the moral equivalence of Christianity and Islam on the other thread, or are you just going to continue to traffic in these morally-questionable misrepresentations of my positions without ever having to defend any of your own?

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Your claim was that the tipton three must have been guilty of terrorism justifying being locked up without charge given that they were muslim and [quote]They were nabbed in Afghanistan or Iraq. Or Pakistan[/quote]

Another direct quote from you

[quote]
The poor lambs at GTMO should fit right in with the British Muslim population, which has been calling for Jews to be gassed for the past 3 weeks. [/quote]

Note the fact that you refer to [quote]the British Muslim population[/quote] not members of or groups within but the population as a whole as if they all think like that.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Your claim was that the tipton three must have been guilty of terrorism justifying being locked up without charge given that they were muslim and They were nabbed in Afghanistan or Iraq. Or Pakistan

Another direct quote from you
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Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Iraq also happen to be theaters of war, not tourist destinations. Britain’s been exporting quite a few jihadists to these respective theaters.

A fact. Oh, you want me to agree that it’s only a Tiny Minority of Extremists doing so? Sure. Just prove that it’s only a Tiny Minority of Extremists who think the Jews should be treated this way. You’ve never done so. Rather, you just appeal to it as though it’s a fact that everyone believes except a few bigots.

Well, the violent antisemitism certainly is inherent to the Islamic faith. I could demonstrate this quite easily, if you’re willing to set aside your laughably bogus moral outrage for a second.

At any rate, I don’t believe in ‘indiscriminately rounding up Muslims’ or whatever. I believe in rounding up the ones that are a problem. Which is an undetermined number.

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PRCal, Pakistan has areas that border a warzone in Afghanistan, there is also a disputed territory with India where there is regular violence however for the most part it is a highly educated succesful country.

Iraq and Afghanistan are warzones because the allied forces marched in and started attacking people (the rights or wrongs of this are for another debate, not this one.)

3 young and pretty stupid British guys who were in Pakistan for a wedding decided on a whim to cross the border into Afghanistan to see for themselves what was going on. One of them got very sick so they holed up in a village for a bit, then the village got taken by the US and they ended up in Guantanamo.

Your reaction is that they deserve to be there because they are muslim and were in Afghanistan. They should therefore be treated as terrorists.

My argument is that they are representative of a proportion of the the current inmates in Guantanamo. The job of sorting who is terrorist from who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time is pretty much impossible so you are left with lock them all up or let them all go.

Both have major disadvantages to me. To you, lock them all up is the only way to go.

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I get the impression that you have not spent much time around Muslims. Being from London I have. I grew up with Muslims at my school, I have worked with Muslims, I trained with Muslims in the UK. In general I found them to be no different from the Christians, Atheists, Seihks, Hindus, Rastafarians, Jews, or whatever that I grew up with and worked with.

Namely, some of them were dicks, some of them were cool.

Edit: Tell a lie, actually there is a difference, I have never had anyone of any religion other than a Christian one approach me and attempt to convert me to their religion, get aggressive at me for not believing their religion, tell me that I am going to hell for not believing their religion, or directly espouse to me why a different religion is bad.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Sifu wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:

Fuck you. The Klan was formed for the purpose of disenfranchising American citizens and they have an extensive history of violence. The BNP was formed as a response to a governmental policy of mass immigration from the third world that was dispossessing working class families from their homes. So the comparison is not basically accurate.

The BNP was formed to give a front to neo-nazi activities that date back to Mosely and beyond. the comparison is accurate, deal with it.

By Mosley I assume you mean Oswald Mosley. Mosley was active way back in the 40’s. That was over 60 years ago. Labour and Tories aren’t like they were back then. Neither is the modern BNP which was founded in 1980. Things change over time. ie Nick Griffin changed his position on the Holocaust back in 2006.

Do you think he changed his position truly and honestly in his heart or do you think that he was advised to say some different things in order to win votes? [/quote]

I don’t know what he has going on in his heart. What I do know is that he has seriously toned down his rhetoric. You should learn about some of the democrat friends of Barak Obama.

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I’m barely scratching the surface on that subject by the way.

I also know that his party has been making significant gains in membership and support. Not all the new support by the way is coming from the whites.

[quote]
I guess to you being a hateful bigoted racist gay basher is fine as long as you say the right things… [/quote]

No I don’t think it’s fine. But let’s be honest here. British politics are all about politics of hate. In their own way the old gang parties are very hateful and they have done a lot worse things than the BNP ever has.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
SpartanX wrote:
You have to be white to be a member! The BNP’s racism is exhaustively proven, no one is inventing this shit. Britain has a broken two (plus one) party system. So do we. That doesn’t make open racists the alternative. You can’t be this dense.

You have to be Muslim to be a member of a Muslim political association in England or Sikh, Hindi or otherwise Desi etcetera. What’s the problem in requirin poeple be ethnically Britishers for their party entrance?

It’s only wrong when it is natives doing it?

Try defining what is natively British and you will either include everyone or exclude pretty much everyone. There has been too much imigration over too large a period of time to put a pin in a gene map and say ‘This is British.’[/quote]

Now you are breaking out the bag of tricks and trying to confuse the issue. What he is talking about doesn’t need genetic test to figure out. There are a lot of people who I can just look at and tell that they are either British or Irish. My fathers family certainly falls into that group.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

for this party Islam is the new Judaism. But theyre still the same racists.

I’m confused. Islam has been the party calling for the Jews to be killed all over the West for the past month or so - not the BNP. Have you paid any attention to the anti-Israel rallies that we’ve documented here? Didn’t the BNP come out in support of Israel against the Palestinians?

Say what you want about their “whites only” policy (the indigenous British are white, in case you didn’t know), but I think it’s pretty much impossible to draw a moral equivalence between the Jews of 1938 Europe and the Muslims of 21st century Europe. The latter are the ones calling for the deaths of Jews, not the BNP. Muhammad himself was a rabid Jew-killer. Funny that you don’t seem to be able to pay attention to all of the “Death to Jews” rallies fomented by the Muslims over the past 4 weeks, but you can show up on these threads to draw these ridiculous comparisons.

Were the BNP actually Nazis, as the term is historically understood, they would be rallying in support of the Palestinians with the Muslims, as other European Nazi groups have done. Given all of the negative things Winston Churchill had to say about Islam, no doubt you’d be condemning him as well, were he alive today.

I know how loathsome it is for a group of white people to stick up for themselves, however. We certainly can’t have that.

Please define for me what is a British Indigenous person? Are you talking about People who can trace their DNA back to before the last Ice Age (less than 21% of the population) or would you rule them out because almost 100% of males in the country can trace their bloodline back to Anglo Saxon immigrants? [/quote]

It is really easy to call. People whose family lived in Britain before 1946 are indigenous. Those who came after 1945 are part of the great post war immigration wave that is still going on now.

[quote]
Of course from a couple of thousand years ago there was a lot of interbreeding when the Roman Immigrants turned up.

Then you have the French immigrants arriving after 1066. [/quote]

My ancestors weren’t French you pillock. They were Normans. And we didn’t immigrate, we invaded!

[quote]
Of course even if you take the earliest of these mitochondrial lines you can trace them back to the middle east so, what was your point again?[/quote]

The point is nobody gives a fuck about mitochondrial DNA, because that isn’t how the country is being divided up by the liberals.