[quote]danmaftei wrote:
One of you republicans explain to me why getting a first trimester abortion after being raped makes you a bad person. I just want to see your view on this.[/quote]
OK, I’ll bite on this one…
It doesn’t make you a bad person, it just makes you a person who just murdered an innocent baby for nothing at all that he or she had ever done.
Also, let’s be real here. MOST abortions have nothing at all to do with rape, insest, or anything of the like. The vast majority of the 1.2 Million annual abortions are abortions of “convenience.” People want their “fun” but don’t want the result. Too bad the result is a living breathing human being with a soul given by God…
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
danmaftei wrote:
One of you republicans explain to me why getting a first trimester abortion after being raped makes you a bad person. I just want to see your view on this.
OK, I’ll bite on this one…
It doesn’t make you a bad person, it just makes you a person who just murdered an innocent baby for nothing at all that he or she had ever done.
Also, let’s be real here. MOST abortions have nothing at all to do with rape, insest, or anything of the like. The vast majority of the 1.2 Million annual abortions are abortions of “convenience.” People want their “fun” but don’t want the result. Too bad the result is a living breathing human being with a soul given by God…
…murder is always wrong, that’s why![/quote]
Because the majority of them are not from rape or incest, the ones that are shoudln’t be allowed?
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I agree with Irish. It should be much harder for criminals to get off on technicalities, and we should enact much harsher punishments. [/quote]
Or we do something drastic like admitting that the possibility of legal abortions have decreased the crime rates in the US…
OMG, fewer unwanted children equals less desperate living conditions equals less crime…
So much human suffering that never happened, because a pregnancy was aborted (like most pregnancies are anyway)…
And I am also glad if a society starts teaching responsibility by going after poor teenage single women.
[quote]miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.[/quote]
Religion.
Human life is holy you know. Sacred. Unless, of course, they happen to pray to the wrong God, drive a car on Sabbath, something unforgivable like that…
The idea that a fetus is a human being (and human life being sacred) only makes sense if you believe that human beings have a soul, which is by its very nature a religious idea.
[quote]miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.[/quote]
Wow…
…spoken like a honest, heartless evolutionist. I guess this is the natural outcome of the Darwinian belief. We are animals and therefore, like sheep, goats, ants, and cockroaches, we have no inherrent “right to life.”
I guess God (and Jefferson) had it wrong, huh? What a crock of BS!
In fact, I feel I have to bring out the BS bag for you…
[quote]orion wrote:
miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.
Religion.
Human life is holy you know. Sacred. Unless, of course, they happen to pray to the wrong God, drive a car on Sabbath, something unforgivable like that…
The idea that a fetus is a human being (and human life being sacred) only makes sense if you believe that human beings have a soul, which is by its very nature a religious idea.[/quote]
…and what if we (really God) is right and we really do have a soul? Then what? Wouldn’t it be better anyway to err on the side of life? Doesn’t [i]this[/i] make more sense then making the error the other way?
Perish the thought…a human fetus is human…wow…
You know, sometimes I have to pinch myself to really make sure we are having these discussions. When you think about it Orion, I guess you are pretty lucky nobody thought you weren’t human before you were born?
[quote]elliot007 wrote:
miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.
not a fan of the declaration of independence i presume
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.
Wow…
…spoken like a honest, heartless evolutionist. I guess this is the natural outcome of the Darwinian belief. We are animals and therefore, like sheep, goats, ants, and cockroaches, we have no inherrent “right to life.”
I guess God (and Jefferson) had it wrong, huh? What a crock of BS!
In fact, I feel I have to bring out the BS bag for you…[/quote]
Well, you cant be an evolutionist. Maybe a Humanist, but saying evolutionist is a bit like saying i am a relativist. Its nonsense.
Yes, they did get it wrong. Have you left the states. Life is cheap, and with billions of us roaming the planet, there will be an inevitable drop in that number, rapidly, through pandemic, or other means.
It must be wonderful to have heart, whatever that is. Is that the preservation of evangelicals only?
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
orion wrote:
miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.
Religion.
Human life is holy you know. Sacred. Unless, of course, they happen to pray to the wrong God, drive a car on Sabbath, something unforgivable like that…
The idea that a fetus is a human being (and human life being sacred) only makes sense if you believe that human beings have a soul, which is by its very nature a religious idea.
…and what if we (really God) is right and we really do have a soul? Then what? Wouldn’t it be better anyway to err on the side of life? Doesn’t [i]this[/i] make more sense then making the error the other way?
Perish the thought…a human fetus is human…wow…
You know, sometimes I have to pinch myself to really make sure we are having these discussions. When you think about it Orion, I guess you are pretty lucky nobody thought you weren’t human before you were born?
Think about it…
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Well, surely then he would not be on this forum, then. But someone else surely would. And you are right, he is lucky, but in what way does that back up your point.
Could it be a conspiracy for religious groups to enforce their genetic information of the world, ensuring a flow of impressionable children, ready for a lifelong indoctrination?
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
orion wrote:
miniross wrote:
No one has a right to life. Like sheep and cows dont, and impala on the serengeti dont, and cod in the sea dont.
Where did this right to life idea begin.
I have no idea.
Religion.
Human life is holy you know. Sacred. Unless, of course, they happen to pray to the wrong God, drive a car on Sabbath, something unforgivable like that…
The idea that a fetus is a human being (and human life being sacred) only makes sense if you believe that human beings have a soul, which is by its very nature a religious idea.
…and what if we (really God) is right and we really do have a soul? Then what? Wouldn’t it be better anyway to err on the side of life? Doesn’t [i]this[/i] make more sense then making the error the other way?
Perish the thought…a human fetus is human…wow…
You know, sometimes I have to pinch myself to really make sure we are having these discussions. When you think about it Orion, I guess you are pretty lucky nobody thought you weren’t human before you were born?
Think about it…
[/quote]
First of all you don?t know where your God stands on this issue, because the bible being the holy book of a semitic nomadic tribe, 20th century medical procedures, you get the idea…
Even if you knew, it is not governments
role to enforce your religious ideas, I am sure Jefferson would be with me on this.
I do not consider myself lucky that nobody thought about aborting me , I would not have noticed anyway.
And a government run by mostly old white males should not have a say in what a woman can do regarding pregnancy. Especially in cases of rape or incest.[/quote]
I hear this alot and I didn’t want it to go without a reply.
First of all, a panel of old white males decided the constitution provided the right to abortion when it never had before. So they were wrong to do that, aye?
Second, this idea that old white males all vote the same - against ‘women’s rights!’ - is not a direction I think you want to go. If I suggested that all women think the same and shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions that predominantly affect men, I’d be labeled a sexist. If I went further and said blacks had no business voting on issues that predominantly affect whites - well, see how stupid this sounds?
And if you don’t want old white males to be representing you, the solution is simple - elect someone else.
If this is true, stop playing into such cliched indentity politics.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Good for South Dakota!
We need less abortions in this country. And if it is illegal there will be less abortions.
I agree. But what prevents abortions is sexual awareness and education. Not banning it.[/quote]
I agree with you. But banning them will also curtail them in a very large way.
[quote]Those who think that it will happen anyway might want to look at our other laws.
If Driving under the influence were legal there would be more not less, but no it does not stop it from happening.
THINK
I don’t agree with this analogy.
I will always believe that women have the right to choose their fate.[/quote]
I agree they do have the right to “choose their fate.” If they don’t want a baby they can make sure that they are protected, or they can keep their legs closed.
Two very good ways to “choose their fate.”
Once a child is concieved it should not be killed by man!
That makes no sense. “Old white men?” That just makes no sense…it is irrelevant.
No one said it was black and white.But killing a child in the womb (who can feel pain) is not something that a “good” society should be doing.
[quote]miniross wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Since murdering inconvenient people is acceptable, let’s go into old folks homes and into mental hospitals and murder those inconvenient people too! How dare they have the temerity to overpopulate our world! And now here comes this baby to add to our burdens! How absolutely unacceptable!
As a bonus, we could fix our Social Security dilemma overnight with this logic. Problem ended!!
Yes, I hope the USSC overules this ban, so we can get back to our meaningful lives.
If we are into mudering inconvenient people, put your name on the list.
WHEN did life become so valuable. WHEN did keepin unborns alive become such an issue. go back a score or so years, and what we did the may be seen as totally abhorrent by some. I work in this field, and i have maybe a better perspective than some.
It is a luxury of the well heeled countries like our own to make these claims.
we are lucky to live to 40.[/quote]
I hope that you don’t write prescriptions – you need to learn to spell, where to put a question mark, how to put together a sentence. Do you even know what a hyphen is, bugwit? If you’re an example of the typical Briton, no wonder you guys lost your empire.
I don’t expect perfection on a website, but at least attempt to write coherently.
Have you ever been to school? To borrow from Harris: “I have to believe in God to have someone to blame you on.” (I know I probably mucked that up, Harris. Still learning
[quote]orion wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
I agree with Irish. It should be much harder for criminals to get off on technicalities, and we should enact much harsher punishments.
Or we do something drastic like admitting that the possibility of legal abortions have decreased the crime rates in the US…[/quote]
That cannot be proven. And even if it were proven what does it really say>
Why don’t we just execute every man sent to State or Federal prison? Since 75% are repeat offenders we would drastically lower the crime rate.
Do civilized societies do that? Do civilized societies kill babies?
[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Since murdering inconvenient people is acceptable, let’s go into old folks homes and into mental hospitals and murder those inconvenient people too! How dare they have the temerity to overpopulate our world! And now here comes this baby to add to our burdens! How absolutely unacceptable!
So you think abortion is murder?
If so, then you probably think that anyone who has ever had an abortion should get a life sentence in prison?
