Sotomayor as Supreme Court Pick

[quote]pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Judicial activism is an empty epithet, the legal equivalent of calling someone a jerk. To the extent it has any meaning at all, they are all guilty of it. Every damn one of them, from the most liberal to the most Conservatism. They all pervert the law and go well beyond interpretation to legislate from the bench and obtain the normative outcomes they favor.

Bullshit.

And even if it were true my daddy once told me, “Push, if everybody jumped off a cliff…”[/quote]

Sorry. I’ll credit Posner and the many dozens of Scalia opinions I’ve read over your inane conclusory assertions.

And it does matter. It’s a silly criticism because that’s how the the judicial branch has functioned almost since its creation. And every single nominee of every political stripe is going to continue to function that way. Particularly at the Supreme Court level.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Conservative judges accuse Scalia of judicial activism:

http://www2.journalnow.com/content/2008/sep/28/conservative-judges-accuse-scalia-of-judicial-acti/

So you view an accusation as a conviction? And your a lawyer? Wow.[/quote]

No. I view it as significant, particularly coming from Posner. Certainly moreso than all the whining from partisian hacks who have a bone to pick with particular justices whose political ideolgies they disagree with. But I more base my statement on having read dozens of opinions from most of the sitting jurists on the Supreme Court.

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
…a gaff she made at a seminar about the Courts “making” laws…

A “gaff”, huh? As in

A. “Oooooh she really fucked up and publicly told people how she really feels”

or

B. “She got tongue-tied and said something she did not mean”?

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Neither…

It’s that open, give-and-take, off-the-cuff discussion and Q and A that often occurs when judges and lawyers talk to Law Students (and Physicians to Med Students).

Again…from what we know so far…her 700plus decisions have not shown her to be an “activist” judge. The Hearings will bring this all out.

Mufasa

[quote]pushharder wrote:
So Brook, you think Sotomayor’s hilarious little “gaff” was not such a “gaff” after all? That policy change from the bench is so commonplace that it is completely acceptable and even welcomed? (But shhhhhhh…just don’t admit it…shhhhhhh…hee hee)[/quote]

I think she probably feels that way at some level. But if you you look at her MANY opinons as a district and appelate judge, she has been no more a ‘judicial activist’ than any judge sitting on the Supreme Court today.

“…B…”?

LOL!

You KNOW it’s going to come up in the hearings, Push…and you know that she’ll be ready for it, since its now gotten to “YouTube”!

Mufasa

[quote]pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
pushharder wrote:
So Brook, you think Sotomayor’s hilarious little “gaff” was not such a “gaff” after all? That policy change from the bench is so commonplace that it is completely acceptable and even welcomed? (But shhhhhhh…just don’t admit it…shhhhhhh…hee hee)

I think she probably feels that way at some level. But if you you look at her MANY opinons as a district and appelate judge, she has been no more a ‘judicial activist’ than any judge sitting on the Supreme Court today.

I WILL give you that it may be intrinsically ingrained into the collective mentality of judges all over the place (but not “all” as you said). And that is a travesty. THAT is unacceptable.[/quote]

Fair enough. I have more to say on this issue but don’t have time to say it right now. By the way, Headhunter, Sonia Sotomayor is not a product of affirmative action. Fault her for her judicial philosophy if you will. But if affirmative action existed back then, the way it does today, she is not a product of it. She was valedictorian of her high school and earned an ACADEMIC scholarship to Princeton where she graduated at the top of her class and earned another scholarship to Yale law school. Where she was editor of law review.

She was a DA and has had a distinguished career as a trial and appelate judge. On the experience front, she brought more to the table than almost any other viable candidate, including the white males. And has more judicial experience than most Supreme Court Justices in many decades.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I just don’t understand why the USSC is even necessary anymore. There is no constitution anymore so there is no need to have a court to “protect” it.

If you read how the USSC came to be the final arbiter of what’s Constitutional and what’s not, the reasoning was very thin indeed.

“Legacy:
Marshall served for a record of over 34 years; he participated in more than 1000 decisions and authored over 500 opinions. Marshall was instrumental in establishing the court’s authority in the national government. During his tenure, the court began issuing single majority opinions, enabling it to speak with a more definitive, unified voice. Rulings during this era bolstered federal power over states. Marshall wrote the 1803 decision in Marbury v. Madison, which established judicial review of laws passed by Congress. He helped establish the Supreme Court as the final authority on the meaning of the Constitution.”

http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://supreme.findlaw.com/supreme_court/pastjustices/marshall.html

“In making his ruling, Chief Justice Marshall declared that Marbury was indeed entitled to his commission. He continued, however, that the Judiciary Act of 1789 was unconstitutional, as it purported to grant original jurisdiction to the Supreme Court in cases not involving states or ambassadors, thereby establishing that the courts could exercise judicial review over the actions of Congress or the executive branch.”

In other words, the original framers of the Constitution in 1789 did something…that was…unconstitutional??

We’ve been suffering ever since.

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Actually, court activism started with John Jay. I believe he was offered any position he wanted and chose Cheif Justice precisely because of the power it could potentially wield. If I rememeber correctly.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Scotusblog says it best:

"The attacks are inevitable and tremendously regrettable, just as they were for Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito. A cottage industry – literally an industry, given the sums of money raised and spent – now exists in which the far left and right either brutalize or lionize the President’s nominees. Because the absence of controversy means bankruptcy, it has to be invented by both sides, whatever the cost to the nominee personally and to the integrity of the judiciary nationally.

That is not to say that there aren’t legitimate – in fact, critical – debates over issues like judicial philosophy and the proper way to interpret the Constitution that can and should be front and center in a Supreme Court confirmation hearing. But the most extreme interest groups and ideologues are transparently uninterested in that reasoned debate as they rush to caricature the nominee and the opposing viewpoint."

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Maybe I haven’t been into politics long enough, but since when have conservatives brutalized court nominees the way the left has?

Now, when is comes to this cunt hair. Her comments on tape about policy being made in the courts should disqualify her outright.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

She may have a mixed bag, but early reviews suggest she is reliably liberal, particularly on business issues (contrast from Souter). As I said earlier, I think she deserves a fair hearing on a review of her cases, but I also believe that if she was truly someone who couldn’t be labeled as solidly liberal, Obama would not have picked her. Obama’s own approach to jurisprudence is very left-wing, and he believes the Court should be an agent of social change. No way he sandbags this monumental opportunity to appoint a Supreme Court nominee with a disinterested moderate, in my view, and I suspect few will find her much of a “conservative”, even on a fair review.

This is very true. But Obama is about as likely to appoint a conservative as George Bush would be to appoint a liberal. Opposition to a confirmation simply cannot rest on these grounds. Quite simply, the party that is not in power is NEVER going to be very happy. The judicial nominee will never represent their views.[/quote]

You are way off here. They are both supposed to be appointing originalists. When judges put on the robe they are supposed to be neither liberal or conservative.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Judicial activism is an empty epithet, the legal equivalent of calling someone a jerk. To the extent it has any meaning at all, they are all guilty of it. Every damn one of them, from the most liberal to the most conservative. They all pervert the law and go well beyond interpretation to legislate from the bench and obtain the normative outcomes they favor.[/quote]

Absolutely and unequivocally incorrect.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
pushharder wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Judicial activism is an empty epithet, the legal equivalent of calling someone a jerk. To the extent it has any meaning at all, they are all guilty of it. Every damn one of them, from the most liberal to the most Conservatism. They all pervert the law and go well beyond interpretation to legislate from the bench and obtain the normative outcomes they favor.

Bullshit.

And even if it were true my daddy once told me, “Push, if everybody jumped off a cliff…”

Sorry. I’ll credit Posner and the many dozens of Scalia opinions I’ve read over your inane conclusory assertions.

And it does matter. It’s a silly criticism because that’s how the the judicial branch has functioned almost since its creation. And every single nominee of every political stripe is going to continue to function that way. Particularly at the Supreme Court level.
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It’s still wrong. It was wrong when John Jay did it, it was wrong when Marshall did it, it’s wrong now.

[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
LT:

My apologies if I took your point out of context.

Mufasa

No problemo. We perhaps bring our differing experiences to bear when interpreting her speech.[/quote]

It seems the WSJ opinion page finds Sotomayor’s speech somewhat disagreeable as well:

The ‘Empathy’ Nominee
Is Sonia Sotomayor judically superior to ‘a white male’?

[i]In making Sonia Sotomayor his first nominee for the Supreme Court yesterday, President Obama appears to have found the ideal match for his view that personal experience and cultural identity are the better part of judicial wisdom.

This isn’t a jurisprudence that the Founders would recognize, but it is the creative view that has dominated the law schools since the 1970s and from which both the President and Judge Sotomayor emerged. In the President’s now-famous word, judging should be shaped by “empathy” as much or more than by reason. In this sense, Judge Sotomayor would be a thoroughly modern Justice, one for whom the law is a voyage of personal identity.

“Experience being tested by obstacles and barriers, by hardship and misfortune; experience insisting, persisting, and ultimately overcoming those barriers,” Mr. Obama said yesterday in introducing Ms. Sotomayor. “It is experience that can give a person a common touch of compassion; an understanding of how the world works and how ordinary people live. And that is why it is a necessary ingredient in the kind of Justice we need on the Supreme Court.”

In a speech published in the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal in 2002, Judge Sotomayor offered her own interpretation of this jurisprudence. “Justice [Sandra Day] O’Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases,” she declared. “I am . . . not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, . . . there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”

We quote at such length because, even more than her opinions, these words are a guide to Ms. Sotomayor’s likely behavior on the High Court. She is a judge steeped in the legal school of identity politics. This is not the same as taking justifiable pride in being the first Puerto Rican-American nominated to the Court, as both she and the President did yesterday. Her personal and family stories are admirable. Italian-Americans also swelled at the achievement of Justice Antonin Scalia, as Jewish-Americans did at the nomination of Benjamin Cardozo.

But these men saw themselves as judges first and ethnic representatives second. Judge Sotomayor’s belief is that a “Latina woman” is by definition a superior judge to a “white male” because she has had more “richness” in her struggle. The danger inherent in this judicial view is that the law isn’t what the Constitution says but whatever the judge in the “richness” of her experience comes to believe it should be.

There are signs of what this means in practice in her lower court decisions. One of them is Ricci v. DeStefano, involving the promotion of white firefighters in New Haven and now pending before the Supreme Court. In the case, heard by a three-judge panel including Judge Sotomayor, the city refused to certify promotion exams when the results of the exam would have elevated 18 white firefighters and one Hispanic – an outcome that would have underrepresented minorities. The firefighters sued, charging discrimination.

After the three judge panel issued a brief opinion repeating the district court’s decision, the appeals court declined to rehear the case en banc, an outcome which infuriated Ms. Sotomayor’s colleague and fellow Clinton appointee Jose Cabranes. In a dissent joined by five of his colleagues, Judge Cabranes criticized the slip-shod handling of the case by a majority that lacked the courage of its racial preference convictions. The “perfunctory disposition” of the opinion, he noted, “lacks a clear statement of either the claims raised by the plaintiffs or the issues on appeal.”

Judge Cabranes added that the discrimination issues raised by the case were “worthy of review” by the Supreme Court, which took the case and may well overturn the Sotomayor panel’s ruling. The case raises the question of whether a judge with an avowed commitment to applying her own “experience” to cases was disinclined to an argument made by those not sharing that personal experience.

Or consider the result last year in Knight v. Commissioner, in which the Supreme Court unanimously upheld her ruling in a tax case involving individual tax deductions, even as her reasoning drew a rebuke from Chief Justice John Roberts. The Second Circuit opinion “flies in the face of the statutory language,” he wrote for the Court.

In April, the Supreme Court overturned 6-3 her 2007 ruling in Riverkeeper v. EPA in which she found that the EPA could not consider cost-benefit analysis in judging whether companies need to upgrade to the best technology available, even when the costs were wholly disproportionate to the benefits. And in the 2006 case of Merrill Lynch v. Dabit, the Court ruled 8-0 to overturn her position that a state class-action lawsuit against Merrill Lynch was not pre-empted by federal law.

Even the best judges get overturned, of course, but the issue here is less the result than Judge Sotomayor’s legal reasoning. As a lower court judge, she was restrained by a higher authority. On the Supreme Court, she is limited only by the other Justices she can win over to her arguments.

As the first nominee of a popular President and with 59 Democrats in the Senate, Judge Sotomayor is likely to be confirmed barring some major blunder. But Republicans can use the process as a teaching moment, not to tear down Ms. Sotomayor on personal issues the way the left tried with Justices Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito, but to educate Americans about the proper role of the judiciary and to explore whether Judge Sotomayor’s Constitutional principles are as free-form as they seem from her record.[/i]

[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I actually didn’t start the thread. The site had troubles earlier in the day. Or its these damnned NSA computers again… :wink:

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I was wondering about that. I started this thread with a link to an article. I thought perhaps you had posted something similar and the admins simply cut it.

My worry is if Amnesty ever comes up as an issue, we all know how she will vote.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Mufasa wrote:

It’s that open, give-and-take, off-the-cuff discussion and Q and A that often occurs when judges and lawyers talk to Law Students (and Physicians to Med Students).

Mufasa

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Ugh. I don’t know about that.

Would you be so forgiving if a big city police chief or FBI SAC was in front of a group of cops at a conference and he was mocking a stupid little thing like the 4th amendment?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
My worry is if Amnesty ever comes up as an issue, we all know how she will vote.[/quote]

Nice.

We know this because of the color of her skin I imagine? Or because she is Latina? Why don’t you explain to us how “we all know” this? I guess we need another white male so that “we all know how ‘he’ will vote” right?

I really want to hear this explanation.