Son on Steroids - Advice Needed

As a medical researcher you have access to medical professionals. Try getting a male medical professional in above average shape to talk to your son. You haven’t mentioned a male role model in your posts.

Nevertheless I don’t think your son will change if he’s getting results with steroids. I’ve never used them but in all the years I’ve worked out I’ve never seen so many guys using them as now.

When it started you should have talked very neutrally to your son, not push him in the direction you want him to go

At a very young age i had already made it clear to my parents i didn’t care about weed or street drugs but i would have used PED’s at some point … having told them that early they don’t freak out about it

Thanks, “Biker.” Yeah, lack of a male role model does seem to be part of the equation, here. His dad was never involved much in his life and I think there’s rebellion going on, insecurity, and trying to find his “masculine identity.” Trying to find a fit male medical professional to talk with him could help.

At “Number 13,” yeah, ideally a neutral approach is best, but it was quite a shock the first time I saw needles in the trash when he was only 17. I did a medline search and found as many informative research articles with studies on the impact of steroids as I could, printed them out, and left them in a folder on his bed, but I doubt he ever read them because–obviously–as a mother and PhD/researcher I couldn’t possibly know what I’m talking about compared to a 20 year-old body-builder he idolizes.

People on this forum say that there’s no PROOF of short-term or long-term negative side effects of steroids, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no ACTUAL negative side effects. There are side effects if you take penicillin; they recently found that statins can lead to increased risk for diabetes and dementia; they also recently found that benzodiazapines (anti-anxiety drugs) are connected to dementia and memory loss; hormone replacement therapies for menopausal women are linked with all kinds of reproductive and breast cancers.

Any drug–particularly those that mess with one’s hormones–are going to have short and long-term impacts on the bodies. Why do people think so many professional athletes (e.g., Lance Armstrong, and others) have come down with various cancers or even heart problems (e.g., Arnold Schwarzenegger).

For some people, I guess putting one’s body at risk is worth it in exchange for the big muscles and the admiration that comes with it. Seems like a shallow existence to me, personally. But any mother who cares about her child–regardless of his age–would be concerned for her child’s health and life, and would want him/her to find a deeper sense of self-worth than just the exterior.

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
People on this forum say that there’s no PROOF of short-term or long-term negative side effects of steroids
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um, left ventricle hypertrophy, high blood pressure, BPH, increased risk of MPB, hepatic adenoma, gynecomastia…

Who said there was no PROOF?

oh, and by the way, we know you’re a troll

[quote]Yogi wrote:
oh, and by the way, we know you’re a troll[/quote]

I actually don’t think she’s a troll. I think she really is concerned about her son. Which as a parent I can understand.

OP Unfortunately, I think you’ve come to the wrong place for help. While I agree with whats been stated here. You need to kick him out if he is not being respectful to you as a parent, AND that you no longer have any right to tell him what to do at 19 as he is an adult. You only have control over what you allow in your household. Not what he does as an adult. If you wish to pursue this further I would recommend that you look into support for drug addicts NOT an internet forum that helps people use steroids properly and safely. While I don’t think you are completely in the right here I understand where you are coming from as a parent. This just isn’t the place for the support you are looking for. If you can’t talk to him as an adult (which is what he is) you need to drop it or find the correct outlet for advice. What you are going from this forum is that we all believe adults should be able to make their own decisions about using steroids.

Yeah, “Eatmorefood,” I did come to the wrong place. But it’s interesting because I read a post from a concerned step dad on this same TNation forum, that was from a few years back, and he actually got a lot more understanding and helpful feedback than I did.

And yes, as a parent it’s hard, because no matter how old or how disrespectful one’s child gets, or how many bad decisions they make, you still see that little toddler running around, and any good parent would do anything to protect their children and try to figure out how to keep them healthy and safe and headed in a positive direction. Yeah, 19 is a legal adult, but it’s still pretty dammed young, and at that age it’s hard to see the possible ramifications of one’s choices.

all i gotta say is ,man, you better get your kid off the smack and quick! before you know it he’s gonna be dropping out of school and homeless out on the streets begging for money so he can get his next steroid fix, possibly even sucking dick for some dbol powder to snort.

Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL!

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
all i gotta say is ,man, you better get your kid off the smack and quick! before you know it he’s gonna be dropping out of school and homeless out on the streets begging for money so he can get his next steroid fix, possibly even sucking dick for some dbol powder to snort. [/quote]

True story I was at the local roid den this week for the first time I felt do dirty walked in and big body builders and bros just strung out on Test. I told the guy I needed some Tren bad he could tell I was fiening I was shaking and so paranoid. He smiled and asked how much I had knowing I had nothing and then told me to strip and lay down. I cried the entire Time I was so dirty and vilolatedm when he was finished be filled the syringe and gave me a dose I could tell it was gonna be good was so orange man I could wait. Then a few seconds after injection I was in heaven felt so good like nothing else in the world even mattered… I am addicted to steroids… :frowning:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]eatliftsleep wrote:
all i gotta say is ,man, you better get your kid off the smack and quick! before you know it he’s gonna be dropping out of school and homeless out on the streets begging for money so he can get his next steroid fix, possibly even sucking dick for some dbol powder to snort. [/quote]

True story I was at the local roid den this week for the first time I felt do dirty walked in and big body builders and bros just strung out on Test. I told the guy I needed some Tren bad he could tell I was fiening I was shaking and so paranoid. He smiled and asked how much I had knowing I had nothing and then told me to strip and lay down. I cried the entire Time I was so dirty and vilolatedm when he was finished be filled the syringe and gave me a dose I could tell it was gonna be good was so orange man I could wait. Then a few seconds after injection I was in heaven felt so good like nothing else in the world even mattered… I am addicted to steroids… :-([/quote]

LMAO!!! Ill never forget my first tren injection, i did it in the alley behind the gym, i was lucky enough to find a used needle on the ground, poured the tren powder in my spoon, heated it up and shot it up. I ended up working out naked. Squats never felt so good and ive been chasing that high ever since.

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL![/quote]

then go talk to his recruiter.

i know several guys in spec ops that use AAS, but none of them used in Selection.

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL![/quote]

19 year old son wants to drop out of college and join the military.

Yup. Must be the steroids.

Youre an idiot

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Yeah, “Eatmorefood,” I did come to the wrong place. But it’s interesting because I read a post from a concerned step dad on this same TNation forum, that was from a few years back, and he actually got a lot more understanding and helpful feedback than I did.

And yes, as a parent it’s hard, because no matter how old or how disrespectful one’s child gets, or how many bad decisions they make, you still see that little toddler running around, and any good parent would do anything to protect their children and try to figure out how to keep them healthy and safe and headed in a positive direction. Yeah, 19 is a legal adult, but it’s still pretty dammed young, and at that age it’s hard to see the possible ramifications of one’s choices.[/quote]

I agree 19 is a bit to young to be using steroids and I can see your concern. There’s really no proof of long term health risks but it’s not exactly the healthiest thing to do.

At best try to talk to him openly and as an adult and express your concerns to him, even though being 19 he’s probably not gonna listen.

As a parent its your job to be concerned, but in my experience sometimes you need to let them do what they are going to do otherwise you will send them further down a less desirable path. A very close friend of mine had very strict south african parents (no drinking, they beat him when he got less than an A at school, the whole lot), he ended up getting into the wrong crowd, one thing lead to the other and now hes completely off the rails, parents sold his car to pay drug debts (party drugs not PED’s).

I am still very close with my whole family, at first they were not thrilled with my use however they have come to live with it and accept that i could be doing things a whole lot worse than steroids. He could have one bad pill of extacy and drop dead, or any other number of things and turn into a vegetable. Yes there are risks with AAS (high blood pressure, sexual dysfunction, infertility, HPTA shutdown etc) but if you can help him do it in the safest way possible (as my doctor does for me) then thats the best thing you can do instead of kicking him out on his ass.

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL![/quote]

then go talk to his recruiter.

i know several guys in spec ops that use AAS, but none of them used in Selection. [/quote]

Don’t know your contact group (Army, Navy, whatever), but AAS use is fairly common at BUD/S and SWCC. Friend of mine who is a Navy Diver even told me about making the run from FL to the Tex-Mex border so a couple guys could hit the pharmacia. Common in training, common at the Teams.

You’re son is a douche for stealing from him and treating you the way he has been. You are a douche for thinking him leaving college to be a SEAL is a bad thing - hhmmm, take on a massive debt so I can start working at low pay, or start a meaningful job earning money (without the crippling debt) and doing awesome shit, with virtually guaranteed periodic pay raises. Not to mention massive reenlistment bonuses - SEAL buddy of mine received $72K on his first reenlistment and is looking at close to $100K for his next one. And that is in addition to his normal pay and allowances.

You’re right. What a stupid idea.

Lets not pretend the military doesnt have its cons BUT definitely not a bad choice at all.

[quote]boatguy wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL![/quote]

then go talk to his recruiter.

i know several guys in spec ops that use AAS, but none of them used in Selection. [/quote]

Don’t know your contact group (Army, Navy, whatever), but AAS use is fairly common at BUD/S and SWCC. Friend of mine who is a Navy Diver even told me about making the run from FL to the Tex-Mex border so a couple guys could hit the pharmacia. Common in training, common at the Teams.

You’re son is a douche for stealing from him and treating you the way he has been. You are a douche for thinking him leaving college to be a SEAL is a bad thing - hhmmm, take on a massive debt so I can start working at low pay, or start a meaningful job earning money (without the crippling debt) and doing awesome shit, with virtually guaranteed periodic pay raises. Not to mention massive reenlistment bonuses - SEAL buddy of mine received $72K on his first reenlistment and is looking at close to $100K for his next one. And that is in addition to his normal pay and allowances.

You’re right. What a stupid idea.[/quote]

really? i know tons of guys that used after getting in (Ranger batt, SF, Delta) but never in selection.

[quote]D_Amar wrote:
Worse–He wants to drop out of school and become a Navy SEAL![/quote]

Wait, why is this such a bad thing? He’s choosing a career path that you don’t prefer? Or one that has inherent dangers? I don’t get this statement.

I’ll echo what others have said. An ultimatum is really the only leverage you have at this point, since you’re still supporting your son in some capacity (I’m guessing a fairly large capacity). Many people know the risks of steroids and still use them, so educating your son isn’t necessarily the answer here. Hell, there are still a zillion cigarette smokers out there. That’s crazy to me, since EVERYONE knows they cause cancer. Some people just don’t care. Also keep in mind that if your son wants to be a SEAL, he’s not exactly risk averse…

Best of luck. And don’t be an asshole about the prospect of your son serving his country. I can promise you there are worse things he could be doing. You’re insane if you believe otherwise.

OK, you actually posted in the correct forum, but you did it poorly. We actually could help you out, but you have to listen instead of just logging on to vent. I’ll put up with that shit from my wife, but not from you.

OK, if this kid were to come to this site, he would be encouraged to lay off the gear until he was about 5 years older and (probably) more experienced in terms of lifting in particular and life in general. The truth is that he’s already on gear, so that train has already left the station. It sounds like what he’s on is a shotgun full of crap.

I know this is a novel idea, but if you’re a medical researcher, how about you tell your son that you’re going to research what he’s doing so he can do it as safely as possible? Kids are prone to screwing up everything, so how about you work with him to mitigate the risk? Is that so crazy? I bet if you actually engaged him on his steroid use/training it would have a positive effect in his health and your relationship.

As far as quitting school and spending time in the military, that’s not a bad thing. I went to school with all times. All the screw-ups were guys that had come out of high school rudderless and didn’t have any idea what they wanted to do with their life. Every guy there that had been in the military had their head on their shoulders and was serious about school. They were also on the GI Bill, which is a big deal. These guys still partied like hell, but when it was time to work, they actually knew how to work. They were a little older, a little smarter and had goals. None of this is a bad thing.

I’m a parent. My kids are younger and so their problems are smaller. Regardless, I know that keeping the lines of communication open is vital. Don’t be judgmental. Don’t be bitchy. Don’t be bossy. You can still make this work, but you have to take the right approach. You’re not dealing with a 12 year old boy. Like it or not, he’s an adult. Treat him with respect and you’ll likely get some in return.