[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Garcia has a legit job. Actually, if the corporations didn’t vampire money out of the electorate in 09 then the American Financial Sector wouldn’t even exist anymore. The Bankers and other assholes would have had to get real jobs.
Screwing people out of their value, taking it for yourself, getting taken from taxes and redistributed again is a catch 22 dumb system…but don’t for a second tell me that the majority of the plutocracy in this country are innovative movers and shakers who made the cents they have…truth is many if not most of the richies in this country are getting in their positions via networks of nepotism and inheritance.
I’d say in the upper middle class and lowest bracket of the upper class, you’ll find the people who actually made their cash.[/quote]
made it less antisemitic for you. You dont want people to mistake you with alffi.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Garcia is actually what’s wrong with this country. He and the others who feel empowered to spew this nonsesnse help graduate hundreds of thousands of kids each year from University’s with the wrong attitude. The come out feeling that the government owes them something. This character has helped create the enititlement mentality that questioinable politicians like Obama feed on to get elected.
Give this some thought, if you and your kind were to live without the support of people like me how long do you think it would take your ivory tower to crumble?[/quote]
Garcia has a legit job. Actually, if the corporations didn’t vampire money out of the electorate in 09 then the American Financial Sector wouldn’t even exist anymore. The Bankers and other Jewbags would have had to get real jobs.
Screwing people out of their value, taking it for yourself, getting taken from taxes and redistributed again is a catch 22 dumb system…but don’t for a second tell me that the majority of the plutocracy in this country are innovative movers and shakers who made the cents they have. Truth is many if not most of the richies in this country are getting in their positions via networks of nepotism and getting cash from inheritance. They keep themselves in fortunate positions by having their money managed by banksters who invest every manner of usury you can think of that keeps many hardworking common men in perpetual wage slavery.
I’d say in the upper middle class and lowest bracket of the upper class, you’ll find the people who actually made their cash.[/quote]
80% of millionaires in the US are first generation affluent (they did NOT inherit their wealth) A little research goes a long way Rohnyn. You’re a perfect case of class envy.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Garcia is actually what’s wrong with this country. He and the others who feel empowered to spew this nonsesnse help graduate hundreds of thousands of kids each year from University’s with the wrong attitude. The come out feeling that the government owes them something. This character has helped create the enititlement mentality that questioinable politicians like Obama feed on to get elected.
Give this some thought, if you and your kind were to live without the support of people like me how long do you think it would take your ivory tower to crumble?[/quote]
Garcia has a legit job. Actually, if the corporations didn’t vampire money out of the electorate in 09 then the American Financial Sector wouldn’t even exist anymore. The Bankers and other assholes would have had to get real jobs.
Screwing people out of their value, taking it for yourself, getting taken from taxes and redistributed again is a catch 22 dumb system…but don’t for a second tell me that the majority of the plutocracy in this country are innovative movers and shakers who made the cents they have. Truth is many if not most of the richies in this country are getting in their positions via networks of nepotism and getting cash from inheritance. They keep themselves in fortunate positions by having their money managed by banksters who invest every manner of usury you can think of that keeps many hardworking common men in perpetual wage slavery. BS like pay day loans, gas futures, and before that the ARM subprime mortgages that crashed the economy. If you think that the failure of the common man to save is entirely his fault, pull your head out of your ass. Yes, he screws up, yes he could be more disciplined. But why the hell should we have to pay artificially high price snot linked to supply and demand for commodities because rich boys want to play money games? Then when I’m short to buy bread and petrol, I’d have to take out a payday loan with some 25% interest that’d go back to the rich boy…
Not because he is smarter than, or more disciplined or a better person, but because he was born in one social caste and I another.
The system shouldn’t be set up that a man who is not born in a fortunate position has to dodge financial booby traps like a GI in hairy vietcong jungle. Your crocodile tears for socialists lack of concern for ‘justice for the rich’ is totally missing the element of, the riches total lack of concern for social justice in general.
I’m not a socialist, nor am I a liberatarian. I do believe in social justice however, and it is not coming for either angle.
I’d say in the upper middle class and lowest bracket of the upper class, you’ll find the people who actually made their cash.[/quote]
[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I do believe in social justice however[/quote]
That alone makes you feeble minded.
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I’d say in the upper middle class and lowest bracket of the upper class, you’ll find the people who actually made their cash.[/quote]
And the above offers up more evidence that I’m right.
75%-80% of all millionaires are self made Bub. And of course the average millionaire contributes more to society in the form of taxes and personal donations than you or that absent minded professor that you tried to defend.
Do you really want serious change and to help the poor? Reduce income taxes eliminate capital gains tax and shrink government by about 40%. You’ll find yourself in the biggest economic growth spurt to ever hit this country.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Garcia is actually what’s wrong with this country. He and the others who feel empowered to spew this nonsesnse help graduate hundreds of thousands of kids each year from University’s with the wrong attitude. The come out feeling that the government owes them something. This character has helped create the enititlement mentality that questioinable politicians like Obama feed on to get elected.
Give this some thought, if you and your kind were to live without the support of people like me how long do you think it would take your ivory tower to crumble?[/quote]
Garcia has a legit job. Actually, if the corporations didn’t vampire money out of the electorate in 09 then the American Financial Sector wouldn’t even exist anymore. The Bankers and other Jewbags would have had to get real jobs.
Screwing people out of their value, taking it for yourself, getting taken from taxes and redistributed again is a catch 22 dumb system…but don’t for a second tell me that the majority of the plutocracy in this country are innovative movers and shakers who made the cents they have. Truth is many if not most of the richies in this country are getting in their positions via networks of nepotism and getting cash from inheritance. They keep themselves in fortunate positions by having their money managed by banksters who invest every manner of usury you can think of that keeps many hardworking common men in perpetual wage slavery.
I’d say in the upper middle class and lowest bracket of the upper class, you’ll find the people who actually made their cash.[/quote]
80% of millionaires in the US are first generation affluent (they did NOT inherit their wealth) A little research goes a long way Rohnyn. You’re a perfect case of class envy.[/quote]
Really?? Please enlighted me as to one subsidy an American oil company (Petrobras isn’t) recieves from the US gov’t. I’m not talking tax breaks, I mean subsidy. [/quote]
Although the headlines says tax breaks they are described as ‘subsidies’ within the argument itself.
Really Zeb the academic liberal professor stereotype? There was a poll in the UK a while back found just as many ‘right-wing’ professors as ‘left wing’.
P.S I don’t feel like my government owes me ‘anything’ but feel free to keep with the nonsensical generalising
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Yeah, you and another idiot [cf: Barack Obama] I saw on television a few years ago.
Hint: the bald guy is just a plumber. The other guy wanted to share the plumber’s wealth. The plumber kinda halfway thought maybe he oughta hang on to his own hard earned bread. The other guy wants to take it from him even at the point of the sword and give it to lazy asses who coincidentally want folks to share the wealth too.
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
And by the way why is it always the people who don’t have two nickles to rub together that want to “Share the wealth”. Oh wait never mind, we already know.[/quote]
lol. And I bet this plumber is not even in the 50% rich. We are gonna give his money to lazy ass=poor people. He must be in the 50% laziest then.
By the way I know personally know near a hundred of people who bust their asses 10 thousand time more than me but have no chance of ever getting out of poverty. And I could generalize to billions of people just by precising geographical locations. Funny how life is
Although the headlines says tax breaks they are described as ‘subsidies’ within the argument itself.
Really Zeb the academic liberal professor stereotype? There was a poll in the UK a while back found just as many ‘right-wing’ professors as ‘left wing’.[/quote]
Bullshit kid. Produce the evidence at hand and for every “survey” you show me I’ll show you three that clearly demonstrate that professors are by and large LIBERAL. And when they’re done with little ones like you your mind is in full tilt. It will take a good 5-10 years before you wake up, if ever. But certainly I wish you well in getting a really good job. In fact, the more money that you make the more you will resent the government stealing it. And I wish you a great wife and a house full of kids. You’ll then get a really good taste of how little you know right now.
Don’t you? I guess time will tell in what you do with your life and how much big brother has to help you to get there. In the world of hard working men you’re no more than a toddler right now, but time will tell.
It is also astounding that non unionized workers can unload a ship in half the time with one third of the men.
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I’ve seen non-union workers work rings around union employee’s it’s a common occurrence. Just like teacher’s unions. When they know they can’t get fired for being lazy bastards, guess what happens? Human nature takes control.
Although the headlines says tax breaks they are described as ‘subsidies’ within the argument itself.
Really Zeb the academic liberal professor stereotype? There was a poll in the UK a while back found just as many ‘right-wing’ professors as ‘left wing’.[/quote]
Bullshit kid. Produce the evidence at hand and for every “survey” you show me I’ll show you three that clearly demonstrate that professors are by and large LIBERAL. And when they’re done with little ones like you your mind is in full tilt. It will take a good 5-10 years before you wake up, if ever. But certainly I wish you well in getting a really good job. In fact, the more money that you make the more you will resent the government stealing it. And I wish you a great wife and a house full of kids. You’ll then get a really good taste of how little you know right now.
Don’t you? I guess time will tell in what you do with your life and how much big brother has to help you to get there.
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Actually my job now I get taxed 20% on all I earn right now, so 250 pounds every month straight off the bat, before NI. I do resent that some of the money goes to people on welfare, who frankly, don’t need it. But the majority of people don’t seek unemployment as a career, at least the ones I know, and so I’m happy for the taxes I pay to support them on what is a very basic living allowance, especially with the cost of fuel, and a healthcare system that isn’t perfect but is free on demand, and if you don’t like it you can go private. And the government is really cutting down on benefit fraud anyway.
No, I don’t believe the government owes me anything I’ve been working in various jobs earning qualifications since I was 15 and now have saved enough money to study for a masters, which partly will be sponsored by the company I’m going to work for and partly by my savings from the aforementioned 20% taxed job.
But back to the issue - I’d like the OP to explain to me how this is an example of socialism. It does seem to be capitalism in action
EDIT: It’s 1:40am here and linguistics revision is no longer happening so I’m off to bed happy to debate this with you though on the morrow
Although the headlines says tax breaks they are described as ‘subsidies’ within the argument itself.
Really Zeb the academic liberal professor stereotype? There was a poll in the UK a while back found just as many ‘right-wing’ professors as ‘left wing’.[/quote]
Bullshit kid. Produce the evidence at hand and for every “survey” you show me I’ll show you three that clearly demonstrate that professors are by and large LIBERAL. And when they’re done with little ones like you your mind is in full tilt. It will take a good 5-10 years before you wake up, if ever. But certainly I wish you well in getting a really good job. In fact, the more money that you make the more you will resent the government stealing it. And I wish you a great wife and a house full of kids. You’ll then get a really good taste of how little you know right now.
Don’t you? I guess time will tell in what you do with your life and how much big brother has to help you to get there.
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Actually my job now I get taxed 20% on all I earn right now, so 250 pounds every month straight off the bat, before NI. I do resent that some of the money goes to people on welfare, who frankly, don’t need it.[/quote]
Well good for you, you’re thinking clearly on that one.
And here is where your lack of experience comes in. When I ran my companies HR dept we’d have people refuse a lower paid entry level job because it was not enough over what they’d make on unemployment.
What do you say about that?
This may sound crazy but I think there is hope for you.
[quote]Redmond6376 wrote:
How about a standard of living for everyone that is commensurate with what they earn. Some people don’t want to put in the work to have a decent standard of living and therefore do not deserve one.[/quote]
This is a ludicrously simplistic view of the human experience. Hard work does not always generate prosperity. Idle lethargy does not always generate poverty. The number and scope of the influences that relate work and income are incalculable, and they reach into the ambiguous depths of history and even blind chance.[/quote]
Very true. Hard work at something that society recognizes as valuable will always generate prosperity (sometimes the hardest work is getting society to recognize the value). Idle lethargy will always produce poverty, unless unearned income is provided by an outside source.[/quote]
Always is a strong word. The term you are looking for is “should.”
And I agree, true idleness will and should bear no fruit. But here in the US one can work tirelessly and, depending on the nature of the employment and the situation of the home life, still have to choose between feeding their family, providing them with healthcare, and giving them a halfway-descent education. Those are three things that no working man or woman should ever have to choose between for their children.
The left-leaning guys who are posting have more patience than I do. Or less sense…
Do you really think you are going to get an American-style Conservative to see reason? To bend or compromise even a little? I read a few of these comments, not many, and it’s just the same old crap. No thought, no depth. Most conservatives couldn’t find the correct definition of “Socialism” if you put it on the screen, much less understand why it isn’t the same as Communism, or Nazism.
Bottom-line: Socialism might not be the best option but when you compare it to the war-obsessed Neo-con agenda it look amazing. Currently the US values the death of an Iraqi civilian higher than the life of an American child. If that doesn’t make you think the USA is nuts…nothing will.
[quote]TheTick42 wrote:
The left-leaning guys who are posting have more patience than I do. Or less sense…
Do you really think you are going to get an American-style Conservative to see reason? To bend or compromise even a little? I read a few of these comments, not many, and it’s just the same old crap. No thought, no depth. Most conservatives couldn’t find the correct definition of “Socialism” if you put it on the screen, much less understand why it isn’t the same as Communism, or Nazism.
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I argue just for the hell of it. Its like an abrasive koan that I meditate with every once in a while.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And here is where your lack of experience comes in. When I ran my companies HR dept we’d have people refuse a lower paid entry level job because it was not enough over what they’d make on unemployment.
What do you say about that?
This may sound crazy but I think there is hope for you.
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In the course of your life you have come into contact with people who refused a job that they thought was too low-paying. What does this prove? What generalization are you (fallaciously) trying to make?
Since anecdotal evidence seems to be acceptable in this discussion: my childhood friend’s parents became addicted to painkillers while we were in high school. He worked his ass off through and after school, trying to support them, never having time or money for a college degree. Now he is 24, uneducated, and barely scraping by.
I, on the other hand, am the son of a professor. I had been to every continent save for Antarctica by the time I was 12. I lived half of my childhood in New York and half in Europe, where I became fluent in multiple languages. I am about to attend one of the best schools in the country…and I had connections there and at most of the others.
His lot in life was not his own doing, and neither has mine been. I SHOULD surrender part of my income in the future so that men and women like him, vulnerable as they are, can see to the health of their families. Because every kid on this planet deserves to be healthy. Or do you disagree? Be careful, Jesus is listening.