[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
i still would rather avoid the secondhand effects. I also hate the smell of cigarette smoke and smokers. [/quote]
You right to avoid things that annoy you comes way below other peoples liberties. It always should.
[quote]shookers wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
i still would rather avoid the secondhand effects. I also hate the smell of cigarette smoke and smokers.
You right to avoid things that annoy you comes way below other peoples liberties. It always should.
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isn’t it a right of mine to not be subject to secondhand smoke?
Being naked in public is illegal. I suppose you’ll say they have a right to be naked, and that i don’t want to see them while they’re naked doesn’t matter?
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA[/quote]
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?[/quote]
nobody denied that statement. People are just irritated that a right is being somewhat restricted. Would you be happy if i said no one could own their own vehicle, you had to take public transport everywhere? It would clear up a lot of pollution and solve problems…but to many of us, it’s not an appealing idea.
[quote]Spry wrote:
Cigarettes are known to be harmful to yourself and others.
[/quote]
What studies are you basing this on?
EDIT: at least with regard to harm to others. I’m looking into the subject myself, and I know some people argue that the studies highlighting the dangers of secondhand smoke are linked to one flawed study. It seems to me that people smoking outdoors really shouldn’t be an issue, and I find it very hard to believe that people can develop health problems from walking through the occasional puff of smoke outdoors.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?
nobody denied that statement. People are just irritated that a right is being somewhat restricted. Would you be happy if i said no one could own their own vehicle, you had to take public transport everywhere? It would clear up a lot of pollution and solve problems…but to many of us, it’s not an appealing idea.[/quote]
There is no denying that the US would be a safer, less disease ridden, all that stuff if smoking was illegal. That is very true, but the government does not have the right to make that decision. If a bar owner, a school owner, park owner, whatever wants to ban it from their property, thats fine.
[quote]elano wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?
nobody denied that statement. People are just irritated that a right is being somewhat restricted. Would you be happy if i said no one could own their own vehicle, you had to take public transport everywhere? It would clear up a lot of pollution and solve problems…but to many of us, it’s not an appealing idea.
There is no denying that the US would be a safer, less disease ridden, all that stuff if smoking was illegal. That is very true, but the government does not have the right to make that decision. If a bar owner, a school owner, park owner, whatever wants to ban it from their property, thats fine. [/quote]
since when does the government not have that right? theyve been doing it since America became America
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
elano wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?
nobody denied that statement. People are just irritated that a right is being somewhat restricted. Would you be happy if i said no one could own their own vehicle, you had to take public transport everywhere? It would clear up a lot of pollution and solve problems…but to many of us, it’s not an appealing idea.
There is no denying that the US would be a safer, less disease ridden, all that stuff if smoking was illegal. That is very true, but the government does not have the right to make that decision. If a bar owner, a school owner, park owner, whatever wants to ban it from their property, thats fine.
since when does the government not have that right? theyve been doing it since America became America
[/quote]
Since the constitution. Our bill of rights.
9th Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
I think smoking should be banned from bars,restuarants, bowling alleys, and just restricted to outside these buildings, in their home, or wherever they drive to.
However, I dont agree that they should ban them from smoking outside. I think that is taking the law a little too far. Its not like your enclosed in a building breathing that stinky shit.
[quote]elano wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
elano wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
watch chronic diseases go down, overall health go up, life expectancy increase, and less birth defects in PA because of this.
cheers to a better life PA
still standing by this, no one can prove it wrong, this can only benefit people. how could you people not like the idea of this?
nobody denied that statement. People are just irritated that a right is being somewhat restricted. Would you be happy if i said no one could own their own vehicle, you had to take public transport everywhere? It would clear up a lot of pollution and solve problems…but to many of us, it’s not an appealing idea.
There is no denying that the US would be a safer, less disease ridden, all that stuff if smoking was illegal. That is very true, but the government does not have the right to make that decision. If a bar owner, a school owner, park owner, whatever wants to ban it from their property, thats fine.
since when does the government not have that right? theyve been doing it since America became America
Since the constitution. Our bill of rights.
9th Amendment
The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.[/quote]
since when have those been followed, pretty sure things have been made illegal that violated one or both of these.
[quote]elano wrote:
Since the constitution. Our bill of rights.
[/quote]
The constitution is a crock. When I lived in Oklahoma I had the right to bear arms. I owned stuff that made Rambo look like he ran around with a bb gun. I had to get rid of most of them when I moved back to California.
If I was responsible enough to own something there, I should be responsible enough to own it here. Hell, it’s my “right”.
[quote]Dylanj wrote:
since when have those been followed, pretty sure things have been made illegal that violated one or both of these.
[/quote]
LOL hey now, I never said those were always followed. I think they should be though. I also think that a good state government should reserve all the rights to the people except those which are truly harmful (this includes hard drugs too for the record). However private property is private property and if I don’t want smoking in my house or my apartment complex, movie theater, park then I don’t have to let you, I could kick you out if I was the owner. See, that right is the peoples.
Well, I have no problem with drugs as long as you use them in moderation, tobacco and alcohol included.
I have been chewing tobacco and smoking cigars since I was 12-14 years old, working on farms and ranches getting them from the immigrant workers. I’ll be damned if someone tells me I can not smoke or chew where I please. No one said you had to stand next to me. I’m a conservative, dead hard conservative. Preacher too.
I find the way the government is doing stuff is crazy, they tax us both ways coming, tax us on our blood and sweat. They even tax leisure time habits. This country is becoming more red everyday, I do not like it. I wish I could go back home to the South where at least most of the people enjoy individual liberties and understand that just because you do not like something does not mean someone else can not do it.
I had a good friend that passed away, he was a judge. The man smoked cigars in his court room and chewed the tobacco end too. The man officially retired when they told him he could not smoke anymore. He told me that was the real reason for his retirement, because as someone that holds the power and responsibility to keep peoples individual liberties he could not work for someone that took his own away.
I am glad the church I preach for gives me the personal liberties to chew as I please, even when I am preaching. Surprise from the liberal reds that live in the horrible state of Arizona.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Well, I have no problem with drugs as long as you use them in moderation, tobacco and alcohol included.
I have been chewing tobacco and smoking cigars since I was 12-14 years old, working on farms and ranches getting them from the immigrant workers. I’ll be damned if someone tells me I can not smoke or chew where I please. No one said you had to stand next to me. I’m a conservative, dead hard conservative. Preacher too.
I find the way the government is doing stuff is crazy, they tax us both ways coming, tax us on our blood and sweat. They even tax leisure time habits. This country is becoming more red everyday, I do not like it. I wish I could go back home to the South where at least most of the people enjoy individual liberties and understand that just because you do not like something does not mean someone else can not do it.
I had a good friend that passed away, he was a judge. The man smoked cigars in his court room and chewed the tobacco end too. The man officially retired when they told him he could not smoke anymore. He told me that was the real reason for his retirement, because as someone that holds the power and responsibility to keep peoples individual liberties he could not work for someone that took his own away.
I am glad the church I preach for gives me the personal liberties to chew as I please, even when I am preaching. Surprise from the liberal reds that live in the horrible state of Arizona.[/quote]
i would love to pack a dip right now. XD
[quote]Spry wrote:
Tstud_9 wrote:
What about the right for the university to set rules to be obeyed on its campus? Its not your campus after all.
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Really? Who pays for that campus? In fact if it is a public university I pay for it through taxes even if I don’t go there.
I don’t smoke and never have, but this government intervention is way overboard. Your right it is not a liberty, but the constitution states your right to Life, Liberty AND the Pursuit of Happiness. There should be some compromise such as smoking away from entrances.
Your example of drinking and driving is bullshit. Smoking does not compromise your ability to pilot a 4000 pound missile. Don’t like the smoke, walk around.
Furthermore, everything has a cost to society. Speed limits don’t negate the fact that motorcycles are inherently more dangerous than cars. Matter of fact, I don’t care if you wear a helmet, or seat belts in a car, it’s called natural selection.
[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
You want to get people to quit smoking?
Double the cost of cigarettes. Find out everything, every gov program they are opposed to, equally distribute this new margin to these programs, and send a record of the contribution, monthly, to the smoker.[/quote]
They have doubled the price of cigs here in the UK. Now about $9.50 for a pack of 20 (most of it taxed) but people aren’t quiting as expected.
A plumber was recently fined here for smoking in his work van. Apparently it was for smoking in his workplace though he is self employed and works on his own. Strange but true !!
My Uni has banned smoking within 10 metres or so of any building entrance. This way I can choose not to walk through a cloud of smoke and smokers can choose to smoke where it doesn’t interfere. People who smoke next to entrances are simply inconsiderate dickheads. It’s not hard to walk the 10 steps to get out of the entrance. People with severe asthma can do with all the help they can get and there is a correlation between 2nd hand smoke exposure and symptom severity.
I’m wondering if the ban is aimed at the smoke itself or the cigarette butts that are invariably chucked on the ground.
I love that Godwin’s law was broken in the first page of this thread!