Smearing McCain as Racist

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Because we’re racists.[/quote]

Well…sadly its the truth for many. The “sneaky” racists are coming out to daylight.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Because we’re racists.

Well…sadly its the truth for many. The “sneaky” racists are coming out to daylight. [/quote]

Of course. Its easy to “be totally cool with black people and not racist at all and I didn’t enslave anybody so why should I suffer for it”… but when a black man could be President? Suddenly they’re not so color blind, and, as in the OP here, play the card of “Well you’re just gonna say I’m racist if I dont vote for the black guy but IIIIII’MMMMMMM not gonna fall for that, in fact I’ll vote for the white guy just BECAUSE I already know that you’re gonna try to make me vote for the black guy by calling me a racist!”

The implied message being “If you vote for Obama, you are letting yourself be intimidated into it. Dont do it.”

Sad, really.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??[/quote]

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.[/quote]

I beg to differ. Jesse Jackson had a good chance for the Dem nomination back in 1988 - he didn’t get it, but he had a legitimate shot.

Also, Colin Powell could have won the presidential election in 1996 if he would have run. I would have loved that, for so many reasons.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.
[/quote]

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

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EDIT: Were you referring to me as the OP? Your use is ambiguous, but I’m editing my indignant response to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

I beg to differ. Jesse Jackson had a good chance for the Dem nomination back in 1988 - he didn’t get it, but he had a legitimate shot.

Also, Colin Powell could have won the presidential election in 1996 if he would have run. I would have loved that, for so many reasons.

[/quote]

Like I said…it remains to be seen. I agree about Powell,but doesn’t matter since he didn’t run.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Sloth wrote:
Because we’re racists.

Big_Boss wrote:
Well…sadly its the truth for many. The “sneaky” racists are coming out to daylight.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Of course. Its easy to “be totally cool with black people and not racist at all and I didn’t enslave anybody so why should I suffer for it”… but when a black man could be President? Suddenly they’re not so color blind, and, as in the OP here, play the card of “Well you’re just gonna say I’m racist if I dont vote for the black guy but IIIIII’MMMMMMM not gonna fall for that, in fact I’ll vote for the white guy just BECAUSE I already know that you’re gonna try to make me vote for the black guy by calling me a racist!”

The implied message being “If you vote for Obama, you are letting yourself be intimidated into it. Dont do it.”

Sad, really.

EDIT: Were you referring to me as the OP? Your use is ambiguous, but I’m editing my indignant response to give you the benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Good move. I was using OP to mean Original Post, not Original Poster. Sorry for the confusion.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.
[/quote]

To post something like that is to totally ignore our entire history in this country. So who should take the blame for the “One Drop Rule?” I myself could probably have more European ancestry or DNA than most whites on this thread…yet I will be addressed as being black before being American because of what people perceive me as. So who’s really confused??

I guess my wife should start taking the blame for being asked “What are you?” I will remember to check “American” the next time I fill out an application.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.[/quote]

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.[/quote]

You’re still confused…we all were raised in white society. And to make this argument calls for a definition of what it means to be black. Do you have that definition??

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

To post something like that is to totally ignore our entire history in this country. So who should take the blame for the “One Drop Rule?” I myself could probably have more European ancestry or DNA than most whites on this thread…yet I will be addressed as being black before being American because of what people perceive me as. So who’s really confused??

I guess my wife should start taking the blame for being asked “What are you?” I will remember to check “American” the next time I fill out an application. [/quote]

Why do you consider yourself black if you have more European ancestry than non?

In the case of Obama, it’s different. His dad moved here himself as an immigrant. He’s not exactly a part of the history you’re referring to.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.

You’re still confused…we all were raised in white society. And to make this argument calls for a definition of what it means to be black. Do you have that definition??[/quote]

Do I have the definition? No. But Obama goes to an exclusively black church that teaches a black liberation theology. He considers himself black rather than white or mixed, despite his upbringing. He’s made the choice. So it’s not really a matter of my definition. It’s the way he wants to be perceived. He severed contact with his half-brother because he didn’t make the same choice.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

To post something like that is to totally ignore our entire history in this country. So who should take the blame for the “One Drop Rule?” I myself could probably have more European ancestry or DNA than most whites on this thread…yet I will be addressed as being black before being American because of what people perceive me as. So who’s really confused??

I guess my wife should start taking the blame for being asked “What are you?” I will remember to check “American” the next time I fill out an application.

Why do you consider yourself black if you have more European ancestry than non?
[/quote]
Like I said…the perception of others…and the influences of how I was raised…and being born in the “United” States of America.

I see your point…but its a very mute one. The effects of that history are reflected in his childhood in the US.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.

You’re still confused…we all were raised in white society. And to make this argument calls for a definition of what it means to be black. Do you have that definition??

Do I have the definition? No. But Obama goes to an exclusively black church that teaches a black liberation theology. He considers himself black rather than white or mixed, despite his upbringing. He’s made the choice. So it’s not really a matter of my definition. It’s the way he wants to be perceived. He severed contact with his half-brother because he didn’t make the same choice. [/quote]

Lol,then he’s really not as confused as YOU perceived him to be. You said it…“He’s made the choice.”

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.

You’re still confused…we all were raised in white society. And to make this argument calls for a definition of what it means to be black. Do you have that definition??

Do I have the definition? No. But Obama goes to an exclusively black church that teaches a black liberation theology. He considers himself black rather than white or mixed, despite his upbringing. He’s made the choice. So it’s not really a matter of my definition. It’s the way he wants to be perceived. He severed contact with his half-brother because he didn’t make the same choice.

Lol,then he’s really not as confused as YOU perceived him to be. You said it…“He’s made the choice.” [/quote]

Heh. Yeah. I answered my own question.

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[quote]
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Sloth wrote:
Because we’re racists.

Big_Boss wrote:
Well…sadly its the truth for many. The “sneaky” racists are coming out to daylight.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Of course. Its easy to “be totally cool with black people and not racist at all and I didn’t enslave anybody so why should I suffer for it”… but when a black man could be President? Suddenly they’re not so color blind, and, as in the OP here, play the card of “Well you’re just gonna say I’m racist if I dont vote for the black guy but IIIIII’MMMMMMM not gonna fall for that, in fact I’ll vote for the white guy just BECAUSE I already know that you’re gonna try to make me vote for the black guy by calling me a racist!”

The implied message being “If you vote for Obama, you are letting yourself be intimidated into it. Dont do it.”

Sad, really.

BostonBarrister wrote:

EDIT: Were you referring to me as the OP? Your use is ambiguous, but I’m editing my indignant response to give you the benefit of the doubt.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Good move. I was using OP to mean Original Post, not Original Poster. Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]

In that case, I am not indignant, but do think you’re mistaken regarding your implied message. The implied message is to ignore the racial stuff and vote for the candidate with whom you agree on the issues. The stated message is not to give any credence to a counter-attack strategem of equating a vote for McCain with a vote for racism.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Why is he black? He’s at least 1/2 white because his mother was white. He was raised by whites after his dad left. His dad is from one of the more Semitic tribes in Kenya. He’s much less black than most other black people in this country.

I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

He’s confused?

Please. If he was walking down the street, not one person would call him a “white man”. I am sure without a doubt that the man is well aware of how he is perceived as well as who he truly is as a person.

My grandmother had blue eyes but was considered “black” to everyone who met her. Perception is the greatest offender here, not the people who understand it and act accordingly.

If you had never heard of Tiger Woods and saw him in a restaurant with his father when he was younger, you would not see him as being Asian. Do you think Tiger is confused about this?

The fact that you even wrote that shows a problem…but it isn’t Obama’s.

What problem?

He (Obama) has worked very hard to be perceived as a black man and to convert himself into a black man, as Shelby Steele has noted, despite being raised in white society. He’s as much responsible for the way he’s perceived as anyone else.[/quote]

You are clearly the one confused. I doubt there are very many “black Americans” with 100% African blood, probably even less with even 50%. In fact, quite a few are probably related directly to Thomas Jefferson than many would care to believe. My grandmother was French, African and American Indian. She was still seen as black. That is what we refer to by “white America”. The perceptions of the majority set the stage for the society we adapt ourselves to.

Obama didn’t have to work hard at being seen as black. Society did that all by itself. You would have to be extremely clueless to think otherwise.

What would have been an accomplishment is if he had succeeded at being seen as a white man. You seem to be claiming that this could have actually happened in our society. I am laughing at you…really.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I think the problem with him is that he’s extremely confused as to what he is. He would have been better off going the route his half-brother went: dropping the pursuit of blackness and just being himself and just being an American.

To post something like that is to totally ignore our entire history in this country. So who should take the blame for the “One Drop Rule?” I myself could probably have more European ancestry or DNA than most whites on this thread…yet I will be addressed as being black before being American because of what people perceive me as. So who’s really confused??

I guess my wife should start taking the blame for being asked “What are you?” I will remember to check “American” the next time I fill out an application.

Why do you consider yourself black if you have more European ancestry than non?

In the case of Obama, it’s different. His dad moved here himself as an immigrant. He’s not exactly a part of the history you’re referring to.
[/quote]

Wow.

It doesn’t matter. Do you honestly think he saw less racism against blacks because his dad was an immigrant?

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Big_Boss wrote:
All of this remains to be seen…since this is the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY that a black man has a true chance of being President.

Once it was realized that Obama had a good chance of becoming legitimate frontrunner for president,the true colors of people…and this country as a whole…are really showing. Hence the numerous “race” threads…and arguments.

All of this race stuff is taking front seat to the bigger issues concerning our current presidency and state of the union. Hmm…why is that??

Sloth wrote:
Because we’re racists.

Big_Boss wrote:
Well…sadly its the truth for many. The “sneaky” racists are coming out to daylight.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Of course. Its easy to “be totally cool with black people and not racist at all and I didn’t enslave anybody so why should I suffer for it”… but when a black man could be President? Suddenly they’re not so color blind, and, as in the OP here, play the card of “Well you’re just gonna say I’m racist if I dont vote for the black guy but IIIIII’MMMMMMM not gonna fall for that, in fact I’ll vote for the white guy just BECAUSE I already know that you’re gonna try to make me vote for the black guy by calling me a racist!”

The implied message being “If you vote for Obama, you are letting yourself be intimidated into it. Dont do it.”

Sad, really.

BostonBarrister wrote:

EDIT: Were you referring to me as the OP? Your use is ambiguous, but I’m editing my indignant response to give you the benefit of the doubt.

CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Good move. I was using OP to mean Original Post, not Original Poster. Sorry for the confusion.

In that case, I am not indignant, but do think you’re mistaken regarding your implied message. The implied message is to ignore the racial stuff and vote for the candidate with whom you agree on the issues. The stated message is not to give any credence to a counter-attack strategem of equating a vote for McCain with a vote for racism.[/quote]

That would make more sense if it were post election. To do so well beforehand makes me thing the author wants to warn people not to fall for it… pushing them towards a McChain vote however they can.