[quote]Bambi wrote:
On a side note, Coeur de Lion was an unbelievably shit king. [/quote]
Oh you just made a typo, you meant Celine Dion, right?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Bambi wrote:
On a side note, Coeur de Lion was an unbelievably shit king. [/quote]
Oh you just made a typo, you meant Celine Dion, right?[/quote]
Well played
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Thomas Jefferson also advocated Regicide, forgive me for my initial hesitance to accepting quotes of a man that praised the murder of a man and a Christian king in the name of freedom.[/quote]
Kings?
You mean the English ones?
Am I supposed to take these Johnny come latelies seriously?
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I’m not getting your last comment. Or your Second one…[/quote]
Sheer arrogance.
So, someone stumbled into a crown a somewhat late in the 15th century or so and now we cannot kill them?
I assure you, we can.
[quote]orion wrote:
Sheer arrogance.
So, someone stumbled into a crown a somewhat late in the 15th century or so and now we cannot kill them?
I assure you, we can.[/quote]
So, it is okay to kill people? The ends justify the ends? No.
Cortes now?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Cortes now? [/quote]
Yes, forefather of mine. 
Edit: I also put up the picture because someone (Method_man) confused Spanish Conquistadors with slave traders…and the Catholic Church. Three separate things, really.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
I’m not an expert on him, but he did otherwise begin to civilize the Aztecs (I thinking of the whole ritualistic cannibalism and murder stuff). What is the title of the book? I always love reading history.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
Oh, I have no illusions that he was any sort of missionary. He was a conquistador. And he was damned good at it. Damned good.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
Oh, I have no illusions that he was any sort of missionary. He was a conquistador. And he was damned good at it. Damned good. [/quote]
Word. Wait, I guess I totally miss understood what push meant.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
Oh, I have no illusions that he was any sort of missionary. He was a conquistador. And he was damned good at it. Damned good. [/quote]
Word. Wait, I guess I totally miss understood what push meant. [/quote]
What Push meant is what Cortes essentially said. Additionally what Push meant is that Hernando was not necessarily all that interested in the spiritual health of the native people. He was in it for the money, power and fame.
On another note it’s interesting that many if not all of the conquests were privately financed and not official government military adventures/expeditions.[/quote]
Most of Mexico wasn’t converted until after Juan Diego’s vision.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
Oh, I have no illusions that he was any sort of missionary. He was a conquistador. And he was damned good at it. Damned good. [/quote]
Word. Wait, I guess I totally miss understood what push meant. [/quote]
What Push meant is what Cortes essentially said. Additionally what Push meant is that Hernando was not necessarily all that interested in the spiritual health of the native people. He was in it for the money, power and fame.
On another note it’s interesting that many if not all of the conquests were privately financed and not official government military adventures/expeditions.[/quote]
Most of Mexico wasn’t converted until after Juan Diego’s vision.[/quote]
Yup. And that is one of the most awesome stories ever told. Been to Mexico DF a number of times and been to the Basilica and seen the tilma in person. EVERY Catholic should try and get there at least once before he dies. Unfortunately at present the very act of going to Mexico increases your chances of dying astronomically. Last time I went was 5 years ago, just before everything started getting really bad. 
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’m presently reading a book on the Panfilo de Narvaez expedition to FL. The beginning gets into the rivalry between Cortes and Narvaez. Interesting stuff.
I’m not entirely convinced Hernando was quite the “missionary” that Chris and my good friend S (Cortes) think he is. Maybe I’m wrong. Am I?[/quote]
Oh, I have no illusions that he was any sort of missionary. He was a conquistador. And he was damned good at it. Damned good. [/quote]
Word. Wait, I guess I totally miss understood what push meant. [/quote]
What Push meant is what Cortes essentially said. Additionally what Push meant is that Hernando was not necessarily all that interested in the spiritual health of the native people. He was in it for the money, power and fame.
On another note it’s interesting that many if not all of the conquests were privately financed and not official government military adventures/expeditions.[/quote]
Most of Mexico wasn’t converted until after Juan Diego’s vision.[/quote]
Yup. And that is one of the most awesome stories ever told. Been to Mexico DF a number of times and been to the Basilica and seen the tilma in person. EVERY Catholic should try and get there at least once before he dies. Unfortunately at present the very act of going to Mexico increases your chances of dying astronomically. Last time I went was 5 years ago, just before everything started getting really bad.
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I’d rather go Lourdes or Fatima, at least there in cool countries. Mexico is a shit hole, I never want to go.
Actually, if I am going to pilgrimage to a dangerous place, it’s going to be Israel. To set foot on the land and walk the streets that Jesus and the prophets walked would be the most awe inspiring visit for me.
I’d like to go with various scrpture passages picked out for certain places and read them where the passage took place. I would find that extremely cool.