Shooting In South Carolina

[ZEB]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

pushharder wrote:

Holee sheet, man, that stuff is aged in American oak casks like most Scotch. Howda fuck do you manage to choke it down? You’d think that as much as you hate da US of A you be shooting at full bottles of that stuff out at the range instead of drinking it…oh wait…

(I would like to sample some of that though)

XXXOOO

Where did you get the notion that I hate the US? I don’t.
I don’t hate stupid people, not even loud stupid people who insist on saying stupid things, enticing other stupid people to do stupid things.
I will tell these people the facts however.
Stupid people don’t like the truth, they hate the truth. They love their little imaginary world. A world where global peace would be achieved by having everybody go to bible class armed to the teeth.
Facts burst their bubble.
The hate is coming from you.[/quote]

Says the person who has a solid record of being absolutely wrong on most threads.

[Aggv]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

pushharder wrote:

Holee sheet, man, that stuff is aged in American oak casks like most Scotch. Howda fuck do you manage to choke it down? You’d think that as much as you hate da US of A you be shooting at full bottles of that stuff out at the range instead of drinking it…oh wait…

(I would like to sample some of that though)

XXXOOO

Where did you get the notion that I hate the US? I don’t.
I don’t hate stupid people, not even loud stupid people who insist on saying stupid things, enticing other stupid people to do stupid things.
I will tell these people the facts however.
Stupid people don’t like the truth, they hate the truth. They love their little imaginary world. A world where global peace would be achieved by having everybody go to bible class armed to the teeth.
Facts burst their bubble.
The hate is coming from you.[/quote]

Thank you , i needed a laugh this morning.

[anon50325502]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

pushharder wrote:

Holee sheet, man, that stuff is aged in American oak casks like most Scotch. Howda fuck do you manage to choke it down? You’d think that as much as you hate da US of A you be shooting at full bottles of that stuff out at the range instead of drinking it…oh wait…

(I would like to sample some of that though)

XXXOOO

Where did you get the notion that I hate the US? I don’t.
I don’t hate stupid people, not even loud stupid people who insist on saying stupid things, enticing other stupid people to do stupid things.
I will tell these people the facts however.
Stupid people don’t like the truth, they hate the truth. They love their little imaginary world. A world where global peace would be achieved by having everybody go to bible class armed to the teeth.
Facts burst their bubble.
The hate is coming from you.[/quote]

[Gkhan]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Good piece:

Survivor of 1993 Church Massacre: ‘By God’s Grace I Managed To Return Fire’

Survivor of 1993 Church Massacre: 'By God's Grace I Managed To Return Fire'

Interesting. Even though it happened in another country, funny you don’t hear too much about cases where lawful gun ownership by responsible people stop crimes or murders. Stories like that go against the agenda, I guess…

But it’s always the way in America, grant conceal carry then deny it in the places where history has shown it is needed most. One step forward, 2 steps back.

Where I work is a “gun free zone” and the boss gave a cop some shit because he had a fire arm inside our business…a freaking cop! Really man!?

[Gkhan]

[quote]pushharder wrote:

To Stop Mass Killers, We Have To Stop Drugging Our Young Boys

Interesting how we can outlaw some drugs, yet prescribe others. The government does not want our children taking drugs, but has no problem giving so-called problem children drugs like candy. As long as a pharmaceutical company can make a profit, I guess it is OK… 40 years ago, this was unheard of. Have shootings on a massive scale happened more frequently since they started prescription drugging kids?

[NorCal916]

If Liberals were around during biblical times, they would make it illegal to possess a stone. All houses would have to be X amount of distance from all rocks.

[ZEB]

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
If Liberals were around during biblical times, they would make it illegal to possess a stone. All houses would have to be X amount of distance from all rocks. [/quote]

That is actually very funny and drives home a great point.

[PonyWhisperer]

So Roof is a racist, lunatic, drug addict (not that these facts should infringe upon his 2nd amendment) facing charges on possession (but this probably should) but he can still legally obtain a gun from a private seller, because in 40 states background checks are not necessary for private gun transactions.

You can support the 2nd amendment without supporting these kinds of loopholes.

[TooHuman]

[quote]PonyWhisperer wrote:
So Roof is a racist, lunatic, drug addict (not that these facts should infringe upon his 2nd amendment) facing charges on possession (but this probably should) but he can still legally obtain a gun from a private seller, because in 40 states background checks are not necessary for private gun transactions.

You can support the 2nd amendment without supporting these kinds of loopholes.[/quote]

There was no “transaction”. His exceedingly irresponsible father gave him the gun for his 21st birthday.

Gun control laws ARE IRRELEVANT for those who are committed to violence. In fact they ALWAYS have the OPPOSITE effect by reducing the chances and awareness that others may be carrying weapons as a deterrent.

[Wreckless]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Wrecklessness, one year ago today I was sitting at an outdoor cafe sipping a draft Hoegaarden Original White Ale in Grand-Place/Grote Markt in downtown Brussels.

We should’ve met.

We could’ve discussed hate.[/quote]
You see that guy with the yellow t-shirt. What you didn’t realize is that he has a grenade launcher in his back pack. That’s why Brussels is such a safe place.

[Wreckless]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Good piece:

Survivor of 1993 Church Massacre: ‘By God’s Grace I Managed To Return Fire’

Survivor of 1993 Church Massacre: 'By God's Grace I Managed To Return Fire'

“11 Parishioners were killed and over 50 injured in the attack with automatic rifles and hand grenades.”
Well I’m so glad that worked out fine then.
He’s talking about Boko Haram terrorists. Not really applicable to the situation in the US. Is somebody grasping at straws?

[Wreckless]

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik: ‘Harshest’ Gun Control Laws Won’t Stop Evil

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/bernard-kerik-church-shooting-gun/2015/06/19/id/651418/#ixzz3dcNXPO5M

[/quote]

You now what, speed cams won’t stop people speeding
Laws won’t stop people drinking and driving.
Let’s look at the facts, would you say that there is more violence and “gun related incidents” in the US, compared to most other countries with stricter gun laws?
Yes, “the facts”.
I know you prefer to not let the facts interfere with a good conspiracy theory, but I’m afraid I must insist.

[TooHuman]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik: ‘Harshest’ Gun Control Laws Won’t Stop Evil

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/bernard-kerik-church-shooting-gun/2015/06/19/id/651418/#ixzz3dcNXPO5M

[/quote]

You now what, speed cams won’t stop people speeding
Laws won’t stop people drinking and driving.
Let’s look at the facts, would you say that there is more violence and “gun related incidents” in the US, compared to most other countries with stricter gun laws?
Yes, “the facts”.
I know you prefer to not let the facts interfere with a good conspiracy theory, but I’m afraid I must insist.[/quote]

Speed cams don’t in fact stop people from speeding. You won’t find evidence to support anything other than an increase in people caught speeding in areas where there are cams.
Drunk driving deaths have been cut in half since 1980, but there’s no good evidence as to whether steeper penalties or massive campaigns for awareness are the dominant factor in this reduction.

There are more shooting deaths in the US as a whole compared to most countries with stricter gun laws on an absolute basis, however more than half of those countries have comparable per capita gun violence and when compared to individual states or to the US in the past per capita gun violence is highest where there are stricter state and local gun laws.

[Gkhan]

Boko Haram may have just killed 2,000 people: ‘Killing went on and on and on’

Considering the South African story above…it would also appear Nigeria is dire need of some strict gun control laws…the gun violence in that country is out of control. Would gun control laws have stopped this and when did the equivalent happen in America who’s citizens have access to all kinds of guns?

Quote from Push’s article: “Firearms surely make it easier to kill people, but firearms also make it easier for people to defend themselves.”

If there is a moral, this is it.

[ZEB]

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Former New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik: ‘Harshest’ Gun Control Laws Won’t Stop Evil

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/bernard-kerik-church-shooting-gun/2015/06/19/id/651418/#ixzz3dcNXPO5M

[/quote]

You now what, speed cams won’t stop people speeding
Laws won’t stop people drinking and driving.
Let’s look at the facts, would you say that there is more violence and “gun related incidents” in the US, compared to most other countries with stricter gun laws?
Yes, “the facts”.
I know you prefer to not let the facts interfere with a good conspiracy theory, but I’m afraid I must insist.[/quote]

The facts do not back up your assertion:

“The fight for more stringent gun control laws derives in part from the idea that more guns mean more violence. As it turns out, though, in the United States and the rest of the developed world, total murder and suicide rates, from all causes, do not increase with rates of gun ownership – or drop under tougher gun laws”

“It does appear that high gun-ownership density does not imply high rates of violent crime”

“The former Soviet Union’s extremely stringent gun controls, successfully implemented and enforced by a police state, did not keep the nation, and successor states like Russia, from posting murder rates from 1965-1999 that far outstripped the rest of the developed world”

“Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, all countries with heavy gun ownership, posted low murder rates in the early 2000s compared to “gun-light” developed nations. In 2002, for example, Germany’s murder rate was one-ninth that of Luxembourg, where the law prohibits civilian ownership of handguns and gun ownership is rare”

“Statistics within countries paint a similar picture: Areas of higher gun ownership rates correlate with areas of lower rates of violent crime, and areas with strict gun laws correlate with areas high in violent crime [source: Malcolm].”

Do Countries With Stricter Gun Laws Really Have Fewer Homicides?

[smh_23]

Stray observations:

– If I’d been in that church, I’d have wanted a gun. Or two.

– The early reluctance in some corners of Right politics/media to call this a racist slaying, despite all available evidence at the time, is literally laughable and gets at why – against all odds – the GOP might just find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.

– The SC State House’s CSA battle flag should come down, then get torn up and pissed on. Or put in a museum – I really don’t care. But it doesn’t belong in prominent flight on state land. It is an enemy flag of the United States and, more importantly, was born by sole virtue of the fact that a group of states seceded from the union for the purpose of safeguarding the continued legality and territorial proliferation of an economic institution predicated on the ownership of black people (a.k.a. states’ rights…to own slaves and have fugitive slaves returned to them). Or, in the words of the S.C. declaration of secession:

…an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution…[non-slaveholding States] they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery [the bastards, how could they!?]; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

Or Texas:

In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color–a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.

Or Mississippi, which put it wonderfully bluntly:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery…There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

There are parts of “heritage” to be celebrated with pride, and there are parts to be remembered with regret. Everything to do with the CSA colors belongs in the latter category.