LOL JMB!
Not to mention the strongest veggie! (Benching 335 with good form now).
On a side note: I’m too fat to post pictures and I’m aware that everyone’s advie would be cut! cut! cut!
So no more pics of PP for awhile.
Ok…changed my mind after reading a few more posts.
I’ve been vegetarian for 9 years now (just about to turn 21), and it’s not all that bad IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’RE DOING.
When I was younger I didn’t, and hence I stopped getting taller around the age of 13 (I hit puberty much earlier though). My diet was like a few loaves of bread a day and lots of candy, or whatever I felt like eating. I also used to think that if I was chubby that instead of hitting the gym I should go on 1200kcal/day diets. Not a good idea.
But after about 2 months of massive eating and Waterbury programs…do I really look like a vegetarian?
How many vegetarians do 295 for 7x3 in the squat rack? Do 265 for a 7x3 on the bench or max at 335 after not lifting for a week b/c of slight tendinitis in their wrist (hence the ace wrap). As long as you’re willing to cough it up and accept that you’re going to spend a lot on protein powder there is nothing wrong with being a veggie other than it being harder to get saturated fat in your diet. Honestly, I don’t see why T-nation posters should have an issue with vegetarians if we actually visit this site. Common sense should dictate that if you have been a lurker or poster on this site you have some knowledge in the areas of nutrition and should be able to eat properly, even on a vegetarian diet.
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my god theyre anorexic…how is that even remotely attractive…? i tried being a veg once…and ended up wrecking my body. the only really nice thing that my ex-husbabd did for me was convince me that i was hurting myself…
[quote]great421 wrote:
danreeves1973 wrote:
As Ralphie would say, them girls are in need of some serious buffet time. Bring on the pork ribs, rice and gravy.
As they say at Famous Dave’s BBQ: “We like Vegetarians - They make us Laugh!”
MIKE
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tee hee…i love bbq…
Well, my take on this is as follows. PETA is obviously controlled by radical fanatics that will stoop to any low to force their extremist agenda.
Now, as for vegetarians and vegans in general, thats another story. To me, the question is, why are you a vegetarian/vegan? If the answer is legitimate(such as wishing to spare the lives of animals for moral reasons) then, more power to you, and in a way I respect the extra hoops you have to jump through to facilitate healthy eating, fit-living, and your chosen lifestyle. However, on the other hand, if the reason is “Its the healthiest way to eat”, “Its how Jesus ate”, “Its the best way to lose weight”, or some other unsupportable reason, then, I feel you’re ignorant of the facts and need a wake up call fast.
I would also add that I hate persons that say “I’m a vegetarian… but I eat fish”. When did fish stop being an animal? Are they somehow not “as good” as cows or pigs? Sorry, if thats the way you want to eat, good for you, but, don’t call yourself a veggie.
Personally, I’ve tried being a vegetarian for a time, and it just didn’t quite workout for me at the time, though I kept going until my religious views changed. I had felt that the Old Testament supported vegetarianism, however, I’ve since come to question the Old Testament’s validity. I’ll not hijack the thread into something religious, so thats all I’ll say.
[quote]ems_girlscout wrote:
my god theyre anorexic…how is that even remotely attractive…? i tried being a veg once…and ended up wrecking my body. the only really nice thing that my ex-husbabd did for me was convince me that i was hurting myself…[/quote]
Give them a good boob job and I’d hit it for a one night stand. But only a one nighter. Hardcore activists on a crusade are not the type of people I can exchange with for too long.
i fail to see what is wrong with an organisation fighting for equal rights for all. animals and humans. gandhi said that we have a moral duty to protect animals, not to exploit them.
and being vegan has clearly scuppered all my attempts at lifting weight:
pre-vegetarian-6 foot 7. 70kg (154lb). good at cycling but thats it.
9months on went vegan at which point i had put on 8kg, won a national taekwondo competition, trekked the himalayas and can now do 50 press ups.
took up weight training as i went vegan. started with a 40kg bench and pretty skinny.
now 17months on i can bench 220lb and i did a new deadlift pb last night of 401lb. i now also weigh 96kg (211lb).
damn that vegan diet for being so goddamn restrictive.
bob
[quote]vegan bob wrote:
i fail to see what is wrong with an organisation fighting for equal rights for all. animals and humans. gandhi said that we have a moral duty to protect animals, not to exploit them.
taekwondo competition, trekked the himalayas and can now do 50 press ups.
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The problem is that they fight using deceiptful methods. They care more about the end result, and less about how many souls they have to sell to get there.
Now…this next little rant is not directed wholly at you, so try not to take it personally ok? I hate it when people quote a famous person, as you have Gandhi, as if because that person said it, that makes it the golden rule to follow. Gandhi did great things for his country, however, just because he said it, does not make it fact. The quotes that are worth remembering are those that are insightful and make one think.
[quote]vegan bob wrote:
i fail to see what is wrong with an organisation fighting for equal rights for all. animals and humans. gandhi said that we have a moral duty to protect animals, not to exploit them.
bob[/quote]
I don’t think there is anything wrong with people who care about the treatment of animals voicing their opinion and making a stand. I do not however see how anyone can rationalize giving animals rights equal to humans. Not being cruel to animals is one thing, treating them as if they were equal is something totally different. Does PETA actually argue that animals should have equal rights?
[quote]SKman wrote:
vegan bob wrote:
i fail to see what is wrong with an organisation fighting for equal rights for all. animals and humans. gandhi said that we have a moral duty to protect animals, not to exploit them.
bob
I don’t think there is anything wrong with people who care about the treatment of animals voicing their opinion and making a stand. I do not however see how anyone can rationalize giving animals rights equal to humans. Not being cruel to animals is one thing, treating them as if they were equal is something totally different. Does PETA actually argue that animals should have equal rights?[/quote]
Actually, the problem with Peta is that they elevate animal rights far above the rights of their fellow humans. The people at the core of Peta are just plain nut jobs. Take a look at their tactics sometime.
Good job PP. Here’s Gibbings who’s vegan.
And then here’s a lifelong vegetarian who bench’s 400. Ben Schosha. (Sorry I don’t know quite what I’m doing on the pictures.)
Btw, the main problem with PETA is they are dishonest.
[quote]Moon Knight wrote:
Well, my take on this is as follows. PETA is obviously controlled by radical fanatics that will stoop to any low to force their extremist agenda.[/quote]
I don’t even pay attention to PETA. Haven’t in over a decade since I did an english term paper on their dishonest tactics with respect to animal research. But I haven’t heard anything good from the other knowledgeable vegans I know.
I’m an ethical vegan but it is possible to get every essential nutrient humans need in their diet without eating meat, milk and eggs. As such the only thing extra you get from meat, milk and eggs is cholesteral. The reason studies do not show vegans to live longer than meat eaters appears to be that they are often B-12 deficient. But this is very easily remedied with a drop of B-12 a couple times a week.
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“Its how Jesus ate”,[/quote]
There were plenty of historians around back then who talked in detail about many self proclaimed messiahs. Except for one obvious two sentence forgery there is no collaboration from these historians that he even existed.
I guess if you become vegan and suddenly can’t find anything to eat you might lose weight but I wouldn’t expect such people to stay vegan for very long. And anyway making sure to get fat in your diet is very important. I see at yahoo the largest vegan message group they have is the “Nonfat vegan recipe group” (arrrghhh!) That is exactly the wrong way to be vegan.
The reasons I like to target vegans is because a couple have targeted me.It’s not much fun when some stupid smartass interupts dinner to tell you that what you are doing is wrong and blahblahblah. It just seems that if someone has an ethical or moral boundary, they should keep themselves within it, not try to lassoe others with their own self imposed restrictions.
So,if you are a vegan for whatever reason, great!Have fun and rest assured that you are doing a great thing for whatever it is that you believe in.Base your campaign on attraction rather than promotion.That means set a good example, and the people who are interested will follow your lead.
But don’t expect me to do the same.I don’t have the same beliefs, and I see no value in them, otherwise I would have them.
End of rant.
thanks.
Ahh yes, the moral crusade. Lets not forget that all of these grains are harvested by huge machines that crush tons of animals in the way of them.
A few of my favorite commentaries on veggenism. Worth the read.
From that last link: “The only difference is that I’m not protesting at street corners about other peoples’ diets–I’m not the one with a mission to prevent “the suffering of living animals.” This email I received, and many like it is the whole reason I wrote the article in the first place. My opinions are kept to myself on my personal web page. I don’t remember asking anyone to read a damn thing on my website.”
What a goober. He puts these rants out there for the entire damm planet to see and gets pissed when someone actually responds. Anyway this line is a tired old piece of BS. Apparently people who spout it believe you should either kick a bum in the balls or give him your life savings with anything in between being hypocrisy.
Jay, not sure if you took my post the wrong way, or whether you were just using it as a way to make some statements.
In any event, I just wanted to clarify, if neccesary, that, I think one can be healthy and fit eating vegetarian/vegan IF they supplement properly. I use as a gauge for health of given eating parameters, the health one can expect from eating those things alone in some combination or other. I just don’t like people who say “I’m going to turn veggie so I live a longer healthier life”
As for Jesus, I was not making the arguement that Jesus was a vegetarian, but rather the opposite, that he was not, and that I do not like those persons that use him as a reason for being a veggie.
Lastly, as for the weight loss persons, again I was not saying that was a legitimate reason, or what real veggies/vegans thought. My qualm is with the many who choose to be veggie for purely weight loss reasons. If a person refuses to eat a steak because they think it will give them a bit more stomach, then they’re an idiot.
My qualms are with quasi-vegetarian impersonators, not real vegans/veggies, unless they are PETA supporters.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1107644185321.maddox_animals.jpg
Maddox says it best…
MicroSlash - “taking only the hottest groupies to Peter Luger’s Steak House for the Best Damn Steak in the World since 1988”
If everyone stopped eating beef and using any animal byproducts, what would happen to the worlds population of cows?
Clearly no one would feed the cows.
Would they be left to starve?
Would they be released to scavenge for food?
Would they all be disposed of?
PETA’s message is for fools. Don’t waste your time debating with them.