If God cares more for free will
Then God’s “desire” to be worshiped is less then His “desire” for free will.
There for God would not come down and force us to worship him or die.
so my answer is as follows.
A.) God cares about worship
B.) God cares more about Free will
A < B
Now to prove my logic wrong you would have to prove that Free Will is not as important to God.
Kind of hard to since most religions put such in emphasis on us having the ability to choose.
No, to prove you wrong, all I need from you is to explain to me why God cares. You cannot, for you do not know God or His machinations. See, wasn’t that simple?[/quote]
[quote]kroby wrote:
No, to prove you wrong, all I need from you is to explain to me why God cares. You cannot, for you do not know God or His machinations. See, wasn’t that simple?[/quote]
by the way not being able to explain something does not prove it doesn’t exist. It proves we don’t understand it.
There are lots of things that can’t be explain, yet they still exist.
Who cares if one says another’s religion is wrong. I believe atheists/agnostics, jews, muslims, buddhist, hindus, are wrong. What’s the big deal? So, if anyone is any of the above, I believe you’re wrong. Now, did that really hurt? Trust me, I won’t be offended if one doesn’t put stock into my beliefs.
I don’t want to enter the theology debate going on as it tends to be rather circular. But, I did note concern that someone might find another’s religious beliefs (or lack of) wrong.
Who cares? As long as we can still live as neighbors, instead of shooting RPGs at each other.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Who cares if one says another’s religion is wrong. I believe atheists/agnostics, jews, muslims, buddhist, hindus, are wrong. What’s the big deal? So, if anyone is any of the above, I believe you’re wrong. Now, did that really hurt? Trust me, I won’t be offended if one doesn’t put stock into my beliefs.
I don’t want to enter the theology debate going on as it tends to be rather circular. But, I did note concern that someone might feel another’s religious beliefs (or lack of) are wrong. [/quote]
I care more about the double standard.
Who’s is correct is another debate that your right just goes in a circle.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Who cares if one says another’s religion is wrong. I believe atheists/agnostics, jews, muslims, buddhist, hindus, are wrong. What’s the big deal? So, if anyone is any of the above, I believe you’re wrong. Now, did that really hurt? Trust me, I won’t be offended if one doesn’t put stock into my beliefs.
Who cares? As long as we can still live as neighbors, instead of shooting RPGs at each other.[/quote]
Because they are wrong we should ‘cleanse’ them. Kill all the heathens.
Right? Why not go that extra step?
Its happened before. Many, many, many, many, many times. And it still continues today in alot of parts.
Wow kroby we just made a complete circle.
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Wonderful (in all sincerity). Delicious! Besides attacking my statement with it’s opposite instead of trying to respond to the first statement, I’ll be your huckleberry.
God does not exist. No tangible proof. Million upon millions suffering for no direct reason, from the Marxist regime, Hitler and to today in Darfur. Facts from yesteryear touted by the Church as God inspired found to be reasoned through science. Examples include Evolution (genetics), many disciplines of Physics, Astronomy. All legitimate evidence - proof - that there is no divine intervention. These can be seen today. Proof that God exists can be seen in stories more than a millennium ago. Two millennia, even. Knowing how simple those folk had been, are we not required to be skeptical?
Thank you for spelling my name correctly; all lower case. I appreciate the respect.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
kroby wrote:
No, to prove you wrong, all I need from you is to explain to me why God cares. You cannot, for you do not know God or His machinations. See, wasn’t that simple?
by the way not being able to explain something does not prove it doesn’t exist. It proves we don’t understand it.
There are lots of things that can’t be explain, yet they still exist.[/quote]
[quote]kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
Try this one out…
Prove He doesn’t care.
Wow kroby we just made a complete circle.
Wonderful (in all sincerity). Delicious! Besides attacking my statement with it’s opposite instead of trying to respond to the first statement, I’ll be your huckleberry.
God does not exist. No tangible proof. Million upon millions suffering for no direct reason, from the Marxist regime, Hitler and to today in Darfur. Facts from yesteryear touted by the Church as God inspired found to be reasoned through science.
Examples include Evolution (genetics), many disciplines of Physics, Astronomy. All legitimate evidence - proof - that there is no divine intervention. These can be seen today. Proof that God exists can be seen in stories more than a millennium ago. Two millennia, even. Knowing how simple those folk had been, are we not required to be skeptical?
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All science. Which has been stated add over and over again. Can’t prove or disprove God. Shoot science can’t even prove that five minutes ago just happened. So are we to assume that history doesn’t exist being science can’t prove it? One more time. Science can’t prove or disprove God. All it can do is tell us how things work.
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Thank you for spelling my name correctly; all lower case. I appreciate the respect.[/quote]
What? I spell everyone’s name in lower case including my own.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
Shoot science can’t even prove that five minutes ago just happened. So are we to assume that history doesn’t exist being science can’t prove it? [/quote]
My camera proves that there is a history, as it captures images at that time. Concrete proof that there was time before now. Proof, I tell you.
[quote]haney1 wrote:
kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
That is the middle ground God could care, but He might care about some else more. You left that option out.
So Gods intentions are variable? Like He cares in some people more than others?
what part of “might”, and did you not understand?
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[quote]haney1 wrote:
At this point it is a lost cause since you have yet to recognize you set up a poor argument.
As I said this is a poor investment of my time.[/quote]
You quibble over design, while all the time vacillating back and forth between substance and rhetoric. Way to go. You attempt to refute my opinions, and when you can’t you go back to the same old - I don’t know how to form an argument. If I couldn’t make an argument, why the hell are you arguing?
[quote]kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
Shoot science can’t even prove that five minutes ago just happened. So are we to assume that history doesn’t exist being science can’t prove it?
My camera proves that there is a history, as it captures images at that time. Concrete proof that there was time before now. Proof, I tell you.[/quote]
You camera was created only five minutes ago and programmed with those pictures. have science Prove it wasn’t?
All history was made up 20 minutes before this post, and placed inside your mind. Have science prove it wasn’t.
Can you put five minutes ago under a microscope and test it?
Can five minutes ago be repeated to under go scrutiny?
[quote]kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
That is the middle ground God could care, but He might care about some else more. You left that option out.
So Gods intentions are variable? Like He cares in some people more than others?
what part of “might”, and did you not understand?
waffle.[/quote]
Waffle, or back tracking would imply that I am trying to reverse what I said.
I pointed out where the emphasis of what I said should have been placed. You see that is an angle you haven’t covered. That is the middle ground.
You see I’m not claiming I’m right. I’m claiming your argument hasn’t ruled those things out. for your argument to be taken seriously you would have to satisfy that objection.
You have yet to show that it this isn’t possible.
[quote]kroby wrote:
haney1 wrote:
At this point it is a lost cause since you have yet to recognize you set up a poor argument.
As I said this is a poor investment of my time.
You quibble over design, while all the time vacillating back and forth between substance and rhetoric. Way to go. You attempt to refute my opinions, and when you can’t you go back to the same old - I don’t know how to form an argument. If I couldn’t make an argument, why the hell are you arguing? [/quote]