where do you get these PCT’s they are not over the counter or are some of them?
[quote]coach foley wrote:
where do you get these PCT’s they are not over the counter or are some of them?[/quote]
SERMs are sold by “research chemical” companies. If you google that, and add in the chemical name of a particular SERM you should be able to find something useful.
Thank you for the info.
Is this I D site good for serms?
^ It’s best to keep names out of threads.
Sorry new to this, if you cant tell
I posted the text below on May 14th. I want to add that a week later on the cusp of turning 48 in July and following years of low free T and the accompanying low libido, that I was in fine form with my lady friend a few nights ago. Testes are back to full plumpness. I don’t know if this was a peak in what may turn out to be peaks and valleys, but I was damn impressed.
I plan on starting another cycle soon as I just received 2 vials of test e from a Canadian domestic I have heard good things about. Nice, not worrying about clearing customs for a change. I plan on doing another 6 weeker adding in my Brit disp dbol in weeks 3-8. I restocked Adex and Nolva too, so I’m ready to roll…
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
I just finished a 3 week toremifen PCT. 3 weeks because I only purchased 60ml of 30mg/ml (1800mg total) chem research product. I would highly recommend opting for the 3600mg to have adequate supply for a correct PCT protocol. I used at approx W1: 100mg/d W2: 75mg/d W3: 50mg/d and my bottle was all used up. I must have been generous on the dosing. I must say that I am pleasantly surprised with the effectiveness of the product especially considering I didn’t have enough (my own poor prep) to do the proper W1: 120mg/d W2: 90mg/d W3: 60mg/d W4: 30mg/d (I believe). Workouts were noticeably more effort with less drive, energy and strength for the first couple of weeks, but by week 3 I was feeling better with more energetic workouts. Morale was good all the way through. Libido dropped significantly but is improving. At 48 years my natural test level is an issue anyway and I am a good candidate for TRT but I am prolonging these periods of recovery (to the degree that I can) as long as possible before going that route.
Cycle was 6 weeks test e @ 700mg/w frontloaded on day 1. I added 30mg/d supposed dbol on week 7 (waiting week prior to PCT), but it turned out to be a crap variety so I discontinued after that 1 week. I started Torem PCT in week 9. It has been 1 week since my last dose of torem and I feel good and testes are pretty much back to normal plumpness. My product was from CO research for those in the know. It tastes good and works well and there didn’t seem to be a problem with clumps or crystalization. It tends to be more expensive than other sources from CO. I think I paid around $70 and other sources were selling twice the mg for that price. It depends if you prioritize taste or not I suppose.[/quote]
If an AI such as arimidex is not avaliable is it appropriate to use nolvadex during the cycle and PCT?
They are very different in effectiveness and action. For the best estrogen control (which would be much lower than use of an AI) without an AI i would use both Tamoxifen at 10-30mg/day and Proviron at 25-75mg/day.
This is what i used to use in moderately aromatisable cycles pre-AI and it was certainly more effective than either alone.
Interesting read on Nolvadex and a few other SERMS. It would appear at first glance that Nolva is indeed the way to go.
So I was able to get my hands on 20ml of test c 250/mg.
I was planning on running it by itselfs for 10 weeks at 400-500mg a week
I have some nolva for pct and was planning on running it at its usual protocal everyone recommends.
The more i research the more I’ve started see experenced lifter saying they started nolva during their cycles and not thee usual “2 weeks” after last shot deal…like week 11 in my case.
Is this because they had gyno issues early on?
This is my first cycle so I just want to be prepared to ward off any adverse situation that may arise. This is a great sticky for us newbs, any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
I’ve been reading that Tamoxifen Citrate should be taken at a higher dose than suggested because since it is citrate then it’s taking up part of the dose of Tamoxifen.
So if I want 40mg of Tamoxifen for week 1 of PCT as suggested by most, then I should be taking somewhere around 60mg of Tamoxifen Citrate.
Let me know what you guys think… any info would be great.
Oh and also does anyone know if running Epistane for a 5th or 6th week is beneficial? Or if there is anything negative with doing that
[quote]Starvy wrote:
I’ve been reading that Tamoxifen Citrate should be taken at a higher dose than suggested because since it is citrate then it’s taking up part of the dose of Tamoxifen.
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[quote] Brook wrote:
http://www.druginfonet.com/tamoxfen.htm[/quote]
Thank you Brook but to tell you the truth I don’t understand a lot of what is written there lol
And it seems to be for tablets… I don’t know if that makes a difference vs the liquid that I have. But if it doesn’t matter(liquid vs tablet) for the conversion then:
It says that tamoxifen citrate tablets “contain 15.2 mg of Tamoxifen Citrate (equivalent to 10 mg of tamoxifen)”… so does that mean that it would actually take 1.52mg tamoxifen citrate to equal 1mg of tamoxifen for PCT. So realistically if following the 3 week PCT of 40,40,20 that was described in the prohormone sticky, it would be WK 1&2 60.8 and WK3 30.4
No it means that in a 15.2mg tablet of Tamoxifen Citrate you are getting 10mg of Tamoxifen.
A little common sense would say that drug companies are not going to make people do mathematics to take their products. But the concern is understandible.
If your liquid is dosed 25mg/ml and you want 20mg, take 1ml. I say this because some of the liquid may get caught in the dropper not because you are getting less Tamoxifen than advertised.
So you are saying that your Research chem product is dosed at 20mg of Tamoxifen Citrate?
That is strange - even the cheaper RC suppliers still dose their Tamoxifen Citrate by the active ingredient Tamoxifen.
ie. 20mg of Tamoxifen Citrate = 13mg of Tamoxifen
20mg of Tamoxifen = 30mg of Tamoxifen Citrate
The ratio is approximately -
T:TC = 1:1.5
Your liquid is dosed at xmg/ml of active ingredient - as Bonez suggested you do NOT have to do the mathematics for the Citrate weight. That would be kinda silly.
Hahaha ok this makes better sense.
I went on the site where I purchased it and it says “Note: The weight of the citrate is taken into consideration and the product is indeed 20mg of tamoxifen per milliliter.”
So week 1&2 would be 2ml ED then 1ml ED for week 3. Is there a point to do a 4th week?
I want to get some more research chemicals and was wondering what the better sites would be. Feel free to PM me. Thanks
Hey guys so I decided to do 2 more weeks of Epistane and am going to take my tamoxifen today. I’m looking at the label and it says “Not for human use and can be harmful if ingested…” Now is this just for legal concerns or should I not take it. I got it from a respected place so I’m a little confused. Also, the dropper doesn’t have any markings on it so how do I know how many ml I’m taking.
The solution smells like alcohol… is that normal? And last question, do I just drip it into my mouth, mix it with water,… how do I ingest it?
Thanks, you guys have been a great help.
This subject may have been brought up already, but I didn’t feel like scrolling through 50 pages, so I’ll ask anyway. Bringing up steroid-based estrogen inhibitors such as mesterolone or epistane would be a nice topic.