[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
There’s no such thing. A sperm is not an autonomous living human being. It carries information, that’s all.[/quote]
A sperm is an autonomous living sperm
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Correct, not a human…
This might clear up some of your misconceptions from a source I know you cannot argue against. He’s a bioethicist
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4857703[/quote]
It does not rule out that the egg and the sperm are Human Organisms as well
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Seriously? You need your very basic biology broken down for you at a cellular level? On their own neither cell is it’s own autonomous human specie.
http://www.embryology.ch/anglais/aobjetEmbr/objectembryo.html
Here. I am not an embryologist, so you can read the work of people who are.
So from the link:
"After the spermatozoon has docked onto the oolemma, a coalescence of the two membranes takes place. This makes it possible for the structures lying inside the spermatozoon to enter the cytoplasma of the oocyte. One calls this process the impregnation of the oocyte. Among other things the nucleus with the highly concentrated DNA, the centrosome that lies across the nucleus in the neck region and the mid piece with the mitochondria and the kinocilium (tail) are transferred.
The genetic material, lying in the nucleus and coming from the father, is unpacked and is used for building the paternal pronucleus. In what follows, the centrosome plays an important role in the convergence of the two pronuclei. Later - after the subsequent division - it will also be responsible for building the first division spindle of the new creature. All centrosomes in the bodily cells of a human originate from that of the father.
Other sperm components transferred to the oocyte cytoplasm, like the kinocilium, are dissolved. Effective processes also exist for eliminating sperm mitochondria from the cytoplasm of the oocyte.
Thus, all mitochondria in the bodily cells of an individual normally derive from the mother alone"
So what that means is that a sperm cell is a cell that originates from the father, but is not itself a human person. Much like you eyeball has eyeball cells, but are not a separate and distinct human aside from the person it belongs to. It’s an eyeball cell. Now your eyeball has your DNA and nobody else’s. Your sperm has your DNA and nobody elses. When the abovementioned process finishes, the result is a being with different DNA than either the sperm or the egg originally had. The cells with it’s own unique and separate DNA are a different being than the host, not the same. Hence a separate human being, not a part of an existing human being.
Now quiz time, do you believe that two distinct separate persons can run into each other and become one? Because that is what you are talking about by saying a sperm or egg is the same as a person in the zygote stage.[/quote]
You have posted 2 articles the 1rst says
“The adult that is you is the same human being who, at an earlier stage of your life, was an adolescent, and before that a child, an infant, a fetus and an embryo. Even in the embryonic stage, you were a whole, living member of the species Homo sapiens. You were then, as you are now, a distinct and complete â?? though, of course, immature â?? human organism.”
He calls the adult a human being he calls the immature a human organism .
If you want to cut and paste the specific aspect of your second article I will discuss it
