Sarah Palin's Speech

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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@ Malevolence:

On one hand it’s not as bad you’re thinking and on the other it’s worse.

Most people don’t vote which in today’s world may be a good thing as much as that would grieve the people who’ve bled and died to gain and preserve that right.

Here’s a very simplified rundown:
Of the people who do, a very large number do make an informed decision. Toward the right people who more or less believe this country is best largely as founded. Toward the left people who believe that a socialist state, in which the government plays a much larger role, should be forced on the public for it’s own good. Or for their own good if they’ve become dependent on that in a variety of ways.

The truly mindless so called swing voters determine the outcome of every election and are the ones that the campaigns are always trying to influence.

Success, for any campaign strategy is measured entirely by how well it persuades those people to vote your side and it must be ongoing because their minds will change a dozen times in a month.

I will say again. In this particular election, If Obama were simply reported on honestly it would be a landslide for almost anybody else. If any Republican had the radical right wing history that he has on the left they would be crucified in the press.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Why is this even an issue? [/quote]

What is? That was purely informative.

No doubt. Some writers are more notable than others.

Are you that dumb?

Two things: There’s no thread about Obama’s speech and Jeff Nussbaum has no wiki entry.

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“The credit crunch of the past year has not followed the path of recent economically debilitating episodes characterized by a temporary freezing up of liquidity �?? 1982, 1989, 1997-8 come to mind. This crisis is different �?? a once or twice in a century event deeply rooted in fears of insolvency of major financial institutions.”
— Alan Greenspan

I hope Sarah is ready. The stress of POTUS may kill McCain and then she’ll have to deal with a Depression worse than the 1930’s.

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Who wrote the speech is irrelevant-- they all have speech writers.

However, here’s the difference-- She was on her own for a fair bit:

From redstate.com:

[i]
"Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.

According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech.

Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.

Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.

Sarah Palin. Winner."
[/i]

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[quote]tedro wrote:
You do realize that no one will ever take you seriously if you base someone’s intelligence and your respect for them on a single issue. Especially one that has deep religious connotations, and is decidedly inconclusive. [/quote]

Epic lulz. Seriously, epic.

Do you seriously think that the second most powerful job in the World should be held by someone whose World view is so coloured by ridiculous Bronze Age mythology? Such beliefs certainly become relevant when the person holding them supports teaching the aforementioned collection of fictional tales in science lessons, as though the fact of evolution and the fiction of creation and intelligent design are somehow equal. They also become relevant when someone advocates faith-based abstinence programs as a means to combat teenage pregnancies, when such programs have been shown not to work. The fact that these views are deeply held only makes it worse.

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
… when such programs have been shown not to work. The fact that these views are deeply held only makes it worse. [/quote]

I love this logic.

As opposed to the Left who promote Socialism and Marxism-- two political philosphies which have failed horribly throughout History.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Who wrote the speech is irrelevant-- they all have speech writers.

However, here’s the difference-- She was on her own for a fair bit:

From redstate.com:

[i]
"Halfway through Sarah Palin’s speech tonight at the RNC, people following the speech noticed she was deviating from the prepared text.

According to sources close to the McCain campaign, the teleprompter continued scrolling during applause breaks. As a result, half way through the speech, the speech had scrolled significantly from where Governor Palin was in the speech. The malfunction also occurred during Rudy Giuliani’s speech, explaining his significant deviations from his speech.

Unfazed, Governor Palin continued, from memory, to deliver her speech without the teleprompter cued to the appropriate point in her speech.

Contrast this to Barack Obama who, when last his teleprompter malfunctioned, was left stuttering before a crowd unable to advance his speech until the problem was resolved.

Sarah Palin. Winner."
[/i]

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That is amazing and a good find on your part. Damn good contribution!!!

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Good comeback. I can see you’re quite the scholar.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:

Bingo, we don’t need anymore religious nuts in the White House. I don’t want America to turn into the Christian version of Iran.

I love this.

People are so worried about their rights to have abortions that they forget the President has absolutely noConstitutional power do anything either way. They can only sign or veto the laws that Congress pass.

What about SCOTUS? Again, even if there were a Religious Fundamentalist Fanatic on the Supreme Court, they can only approve or strike down a law.

Incidentally, you’re out of step with the Democrats. They’ve assumed towing a ‘Christian’ line recently. Obama has invoked Faith Based programs, Shillary ‘found Jesus’ there for awhile, and Pelosi very recently tried to use the writings of St. Augustine to justify her position supporting abortions. Talk about Hypocrites!

For those of you who like to lament about how whether a President believes the Earth is 6k years old or not, you should read more Presidential biographies. You’ll find that overwhelmingly the Presidents were schooled in and relied heavily on the Bible, and much of it literally, for guidance. [/quote]

I could care less about abortion rights or religion. I don’t think it’s rational to think that going to war is “a task from God”, or trying to get books banned from a local library is someone I want to lead this country.

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
I could care less about abortion rights or religion. I don’t think it’s rational to think that going to war is “a task from God”, or trying to get books banned from a local library is someone I want to lead this country.
[/quote]
But what if those books contained inappropriate language?! Think of the children!

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
Do you seriously think that the second most powerful job in the World should be held by someone whose World view is so coloured by ridiculous Bronze Age mythology?
[/quote]

This has been the case many times before. I am not aware of it causing any significant damage.

Stop right there. If you need to use the premises that macroevolution is fact and creation is fiction, then you are going to have to prove them as so.

[quote]
They also become relevant when someone advocates faith-based abstinence programs as a means to combat teenage pregnancies, when such programs have been shown not to work. The fact that these views are deeply held only makes it worse.[/quote]

Oh yes, because teaching birth-control methods works so much better. Perhaps you should look a bit deeper into the sex-ed argument. It is not only about preventing unwanted pregnancies.

The psychological consequences of being involved in sexual relationships are much too difficult for most, if not all, teenagers to comprehend and deal with. The effect on society when teenagers are led to believe that sexual promiscuity is ok is even greater. Telling students that it’s ok to have sex if they use protection only exasperates these problems, and we are left with the sex-crazed society that we live in today.

It also does very little to prevent unwanted pregnancies. How many kids in the US learn what a condom or the pill is in sex-ed class? The knowledge is already there, and it only goes to show that teenagers aren’t typically mature enough to make intelligent, responsible decisions when it comes to sex.

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
I could care less about abortion rights or religion. [/quote]

Yet, you wrote this:

[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Bingo, we don’t need anymore religious nuts in the White House. I don’t want America to turn into the Christian version of Iran.
[/quote]

?

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
I could care less about abortion rights or religion. I don’t think it’s rational to think that going to war is “a task from God”,
[/quote]

Neither do any of the Christians debating on this board. Neither do Palin or McCain. Neither does our very own constitution. Neither does our congress. What exactly is the relevance of this statement? Are you talking about the US or Iran?

Give me one incidence of McCain or Palin trying to get books banned from a local library. Your comments lack direction and reasoning.

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If liberals had direction and REASONING they would not be liberals.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Do you seriously think that the second most powerful job in the World should be held by someone whose World view is so coloured by ridiculous Bronze Age mythology?

This has been the case many times before. I am not aware of it causing any significant damage.
[/quote]

You are not aware of any occasions where a world view coloured by Bronze Age mythology has caused any significant damage? Isn’t the war on the mythical “terror” supposed to be a reaction to the consequences of such insane beliefs?

[quote]tedro wrote:
ninearms wrote:
Such beliefs certainly become relevant when the person holding them supports teaching the aforementioned collection of fictional tales in science lessons, as though the fact of evolution and the fiction of creation and intelligent design are somehow equal.

Stop right there. If you need to use the premises that macroevolution is fact and creation is fiction, then you are going to have to prove them as so.
[/quote]

Sorry, that’s the job of the creationists and IDers, to provide substantial empirical and scientific evidence that qualifies their argument. The case for evolution has already been made, demonstrated via evidence, and accepted. THERE IS NO DEBATE. Until the creationists and IDers can present a substantial body of such evidence they have no business being given a platform in science lessons, or having their theories considered alongside evolution as remotely worthy of discussion. Science lessons should be reserved for the teaching of science.

[quote]tedro wrote:
ninearms wrote:
They also become relevant when someone advocates faith-based abstinence programs as a means to combat teenage pregnancies, when such programs have been shown not to work. The fact that these views are deeply held only makes it worse.

Oh yes, because teaching birth-control methods works so much better. Perhaps you should look a bit deeper into the sex-ed argument. It is not only about preventing unwanted pregnancies.

The psychological consequences of being involved in sexual relationships are much too difficult for most, if not all, teenagers to comprehend and deal with. The effect on society when teenagers are led to believe that sexual promiscuity is ok is even greater. Telling students that it’s ok to have sex if they use protection only exasperates these problems, and we are left with the sex-crazed society that we live in today.

It also does very little to prevent unwanted pregnancies. How many kids in the US learn what a condom or the pill is in sex-ed class? The knowledge is already there, and it only goes to show that teenagers aren’t typically mature enough to make intelligent, responsible decisions when it comes to sex.

[/quote]

What makes you think they’re mature enough to abstain? Is it the threat of eternal torment?

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
I could care less about abortion rights or religion. I don’t think it’s rational to think that going to war is “a task from God”,

Neither do any of the Christians debating on this board. Neither do Palin or McCain. Neither does our very own constitution. Neither does our congress. What exactly is the relevance of this statement? Are you talking about the US or Iran?

or trying to get books banned from a local library is someone I want to lead this country.

Give me one incidence of McCain or Palin trying to get books banned from a local library. Your comments lack direction and reasoning.[/quote]

Palin: Iraq war ‘a task that is from God’

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

"And for some, Ms. Palin�??s first months in office here were so jarring �?? and so alienating �?? that an effort was made to force a recall. About 100 people attended a meeting to discuss the effort, which was covered in the local press, but the idea was dropped.

Shortly after becoming mayor, former city officials and Wasilla residents said, Ms. Palin approached the town librarian about the possibility of banning some books, though she never followed through and it was unclear which books or passages were in question.

Ann Kilkenny, a Democrat who said she attended every City Council meeting in Ms. Palin�??s first year in office, said Ms. Palin brought up the idea of banning some books at one meeting. �??They were somehow morally or socially objectionable to her,�?? Ms. Kilkenny said.

The librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, pledged to �??resist all efforts at censorship,�?? Ms. Kilkenny recalled. Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office but changed course after residents made a strong show of support. Ms. Emmons, who left her job and Wasilla a couple of years later, declined to comment for this article."
Link to this:

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[quote]ninearms wrote:
You are not aware of any occasions where a world view coloured by Bronze Age mythology has caused any significant damage? Isn’t the war on the mythical “terror” supposed to be a reaction to the consequences of such insane beliefs?
[/quote]

You are generalizing too much. A VP having somewhat fundamentalist Christian views has been a common occurence, and has not cause damage.

Yet you are allowed to declare evolution as fact? How’s that work, and where is the evidence? Again I’m not talking about microevolution, we’re talking macro. Go ahead, search a bit. While the theory makes very good sense, the evidence is surprisingly thin.

You are using the same sort of logic that has allowed the climate change movement to take off. You lack any skepticism and allow the masses to decide for you. There is actually quite a debate, but only if you are willing to accept that evolution may not be the end all theory to our existence.

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What makes you think they’re mature enough to abstain? Is it the threat of eternal torment?[/quote]

I never said they were, and it is obvious that many are not. This does not change the logic behind the argument. Sex-ed is enabling, which only exasperates the problem.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Yet you are allowed to declare evolution as fact? How’s that work, and where is the evidence? Again I’m not talking about microevolution, we’re talking macro. Go ahead, search a bit. While the theory makes very good sense, the evidence is surprisingly thin.
[/quote]

Your turn…

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[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Palin: Iraq war ‘a task that is from God’

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war
[/quote]

Quite trying to misrepresent her. Post the whole statement, not a liberal news article.

“Pray for our military. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country - that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” the Alaska governor said in her address posted on the website of the Wasilla Assembly of God.

She is saying to pray that what we our doing, going into Iraq, is the will of God. In other words, pray that we are doing God’s will. She doesn’t say she knows God’s will, simply to pray that we are upholding it.

From your article:


In 1996, Ms. Palin suggested to the local paper, The Frontiersman, that the conversations about banning books were �??rhetorical.�??

Nothing wrong with bringing up a rhetorical statement for the sake of debate, especially at the city level. More rhetorical debate amongst commissioners could do a lot of places a lot of good.

Your post is lame. If you want to attack her because of her stances and statements, at least use accurate ones.

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[quote]tedro wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
Palin: Iraq war ‘a task that is from God’

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Quite trying to misrepresent her. Post the whole statement, not a liberal news article.

“Pray for our military. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country - that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” the Alaska governor said in her address posted on the website of the Wasilla Assembly of God.

She is saying to pray that what we our doing, going into Iraq, is the will of God. In other words, pray that we are doing God’s will. She doesn’t say she knows God’s will, simply to pray that we are upholding it. [/quote]

That might have been her intent. I don’t know and neither do you.

What’s certain is that politicians who speak of wars of aggression as “a task that is from God” should be looked at suspiciously.