When the hatred is directed at “the media” instead of the people in the media. The media isn’t the boogeyman. It’s a reflection of the news we consumers choose to engage in. What the media has become is ENTIRELY at the fault of the consumer of said news.
If you (not literally you) want to hate Rachel Maddow and MSNBC for slanting against repubs, or hate Oreilley and Fox for slanting against dems, that’s fine (and imo justified to a pretty big extent).
Why though?
When do these people become the magical collective that is suddenly above contempt?
The free press that publishes this:
And expects anything else but contempt, from anyone, is delusional.
“Having contempt for” and “actively suppressing” are two way different things. Let me know when they start pulling licenses and censoring.
It plays well with the base when you treat the legacy media like garbage… and they deserve it. Some if them are literally a propaganda wing for one party. They work for and shuttle questions to certain Pols. They bend stories to fit their narratives and all of the nasty stuff we’ve found out lately.
So if she were just a bitch to certain “journalists” I wouldn’t be reading about how she’s deplorable because she “picks and chooses” who she “holds in contempt”?
Because it seems to me, her shitting on everyone equally (or kissing the ass of everyone equally) is better than the opposite.
Who said people? I said free press, as in an institution or concept; something the Founders valued enough to provide protections for it.
That is an opinion piece, not journalism. And it shows how free the press is as it allows an idiot to freely express his stupidity and open himself to be freely called the idiot he is.
You probably still would. Mostly because she spends a large amount of time disregarding questions for the simple fact of who’s asking, instead of evaluating the question on a case by case basis.
If you shit on “the media” (a la Trump/Sanders) you’re inherently shitting on ALL of “the media.” Which means you’re shitting on people whom agree with you. Unless we’re to take that “the media” = “the media that disagrees with me.” I see “the media” as being the media.
Quoting to double like this.
No they don’t and it only plays well with people who don’t regularly follow “legacy” media. I doubt most of those who criticize the NY Times actually read it.
I read it every day. There’s some good writing in there. But it has a lefty tilt to beat all lefty tilts. They are the tip of the spear of liberalism. Krugman isn’t an economist so much as a Democrat attack dog.
Journalism and the concept of a free press are liberal ideas.
People make up the “free press”. All the institution is, is a group of individuals.
Which means it has all the same problems every other group of individuals have.
The idea anyone, POTUS or no, should be required to prostrate themselves to any other group of people “because they belong to an institution” is not only wildly authoritarian, but utterly dangerous as a world view.
It’s published in the Times. The Times.
If the Daily Stormer published “Can I be friends with Black People”… I don’t even have to finish that, you know where I’m going with it.
That was published, in that paper. That means, to those editors, that is “okay to run and have our name attached to it”. If they think that is an okay piece to have their name on it, how am I supposed to trust those very same editors to judge what is or isn’t newsworthy in the non-op-ed sections?
Agreed, which, like I said is a much preferable approach than to pick and choose whom you shit on right?
What a sad, sad fall from grace dude is too.
It doesn’t mean they endorse what was written. The person who wrote it is a professor so he has some degree of legitimacy. There is also a place for comments and here are some comments that were NYT picks:
" This article saddens and sickens me. If your children do not have white friends, they are condemned to live in a segregated society. Ask the Boers how that worked out.
I am a Brooklyn Jew of 71 years. I will not recite my anti-racist pedigree. I will ask that you consider that not only are there people of good will of all colors, there are people of ill will in all colors. Do not be one of them.
Dan Kravitz"
"I’m an elderly white man, living in a University town adjacent to a major Midwestern city, who grew up in a blue collar working class community where racism (and homophobia, and misogyny ) were deeply embedded assumptions of daily life.
So if I had been frozen “Sleeper” style in 1957, and thawed out in 2017, a walk down the street would be disorienting when it was not frightening: a black woman cop ticketing a white motorist, a goateed Latino man sitting in the VP chair at the bank, two men walking hand in hand across the street, an obviously non-white man identified as a ex-president speaking on a gigantic television screen, a white couple with children of two different colors in their stroller - every block would be a series of assaults on every social opinion I absorbed as a child
So what my past and present tell me, in absolutely uncertain terms , is that literally unimaginable social changes - are possible in a lifetime.
None of this invalidates any of Yankah’s list of insults, abuses or worst, or the necessity for any parent of a child of color to prepare their children to encounter them.
But Yankah’s deep pessimism seems to me to underestimate the power of personal relationships and daily interaction with the “other” to change even deep convictions; a power evidenced daily by the younger people I see apparently living lives of romance, parenting, friendship and adoption across the same racial fault lines."
"This melodrama from blacks in particular blacks from a recent African background is simply too much for me to go on uncommented upon.
White liberals you are being hustled. It’s that simple. I can assure you that the vast majority of black people aren’t obsessing over their interactions with whites nor fear that their children interact with them
I’m 40 years old, my parents are from Ghana, born and raised in VA. My first friend at 4 was white. We’re still friends. I went to Catholic school which was mostly white. I don’t recall a cross word due to my race. This was all in the 80s. I actually voted for Trump. Do I approve of everything he does? Nope.
Just live your lives and stop obsessing over race."
I didn’t catch where they made it clear “the views expressed here are not those of the NY Times or it’s editors”.
That some commenters refuted this racist tripe is good, and makes me hopeful for mankind. It doesn’t, however, give me the warm and fuzziest about “our free press”. Maybe if an Editor utter slammed the shit out of it in the next column I would.
That printed unchallenged by the staff is what I’d expect from /pol, Reddit or that Stormer place. Not an “institution above contempt”.
If the press wants respect, they should act like it. LEO has similar problems right now.
She maybe could make a run for the presidency in the next 16 years. I think she’s tough enough and eloquent enough, while still being down to earth enough.
I disagree on Pence. I like him and I think he’s taking it in the ass for trump… He’s doing his job and that job is sometimes ugly.
I see it almost like a Nixon -Ford thing. Nixon was, uh Nixon. But Ford was a decent guy, steered through the muck to get us to the next election that no republican had any chance of winning.
If Trump were to be removed, I think you would see a different Pence, more in line of what you are used to seeing in the political sphere. Even if he’s slimy, he will at least speak like an adult.
My problem is that the policies I champion and believe in are in process and that is bottom line to me. I don’t care if it’s Bobo the Clown or Hillary Clinton or anybody else for that matter. If we are going to get good decent legislation passed through congress so the next president cannot just take an eraser to the board and wipe everything you’ve done out. As long as I get what I want, I don’t care who does it. I prefer good character, of course, but I will take a win anyway I can get it.
That was Obama’s biggest mistake. He counted on Hillary winning to change his executive orders in to law. He stuck to his guns and would not work with a Republican congress on anything but the most mundane things. Now most of his legacy is gone, by the stroke of a pen. If he had worked with congress and compromised a little, he would have left a better legacy.
I think the fact that it was in the op-ed section makes that self-explanatory.
This is from today’s NYT, in the op-ed section (not in the online comments so it was published by the editors) and it is critical of the original piece and takes a swipe at the individual who wrote it:
Having worked in the Deep South in the late 1960s to advance racial equality, I was deeply saddened by Ekow N. Yankah’s article, especially from a fellow university professor.
In the midst of the racial violence in Alabama so many years ago, we dreamed of a time when parents no longer taught their children to ascribe characteristics across entire human groups, whether racial, ethnic or religious.
In today’s America, it’s obvious that the struggle is not yet over, but I find it particularly painful that it must also be waged in the hallowed halls of academia.
Just what we need, an under-educated person who never had a real job outside of politics.
What has he defended that is indefensible? By the way, if you defend it, then maybe it isn’t indefensible?
At the risk of sounding really bad, I have a hard time looking at her. I keep asking myself why they put her on camera.
She could be great or terrible or somewhere in between, but when I see her on a big flat screen my finger immediately hits the channel up/down button.
So you think that article gets run if written by Peter McWhiteguy and is titled “Can my kids be friends with Blacks?”
Honestly?
Just like you’re speaking of the institution of the press, I’m speaking of the current institutional problems with the press. I just don’t see where holding them in contempt this the supposedly deplorable or childish thing.
But then again, they don’t bat for my “team” so I suppose I wouldnt’ see it that way.
Who also had contempt for it - read up on how much Washington HATED the press. With a passion that could fuel a thousand suns