[quote]pushharder wrote:
what I really agree with even more strongly is that the American people aren’t “scared,” they’re angry.
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You are spot on!
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
Bingo. I have eyes and can see just fine without an unelected federal bureaucrat telling what I saw. I don’t think anyone has to be exposed to FBI classified information to figure this one out.
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There’s that uncanny gut impulse again. I’m sure y’all instantly divined that al-Qaida carried out the 9/11 attacks, and that you felt it in your gut that Iraq had WMDs. Why would San Bernardito be any different? Law enforcement and intelligence analysis be damned, it was an Islamic State directed terrorist attack! How do I know that, you might you ask? I feel it I my gut. [/quote]
It is a week later, change your mind yet Bismark?
It wasn’t “gut impulse” that made this so obvious.
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, I read or heard somewhere that women are actually more likely to kill their child than a man is. Kids are at greater risk from stepfathers or their mother’s boyfriends. One more reason for a guy to stay with the mother of his children. Leave her and some dude might move in a start abusing your kids.[/quote]
Completely off the topic, but I’ve heard that argument from a life insurance salesman. “You don’t want your widow to be in a financial situation where she needs to remarry because a stepfather is more likely to abuse your kids.” Maybe, but that’s completely playing to people’s fears, right?
About women, or anyone being capable of this kind of violence. - It’s a sick thing. Plenty of fathers would walk through fire, or jump into raging flood waters to save their kids, so it’s not just a maternal instinct. Remember when Push’s son had his hand so badly injured in an industrial accident? I’m sure he’d have risked his own arm to prevent that if he could have.
And yes, we have all heard of parents who go nuts and kill the whole family or something, but this is in some ways even more disturbing because it’s motivated by an ideology that seems justified and rational to these jihadist individuals. That example I gave about the woman associated with Hamas who had three of her sons die as suicide bombers? She had enough support from her community to be elected to represent them. That’s scary indeed.
This whole thing felt very close to home for me. I’ve been to meetings at Regional Centers many times for work, and as a parent. And we lived near that area when we first moved to CA.
But, the thing that seems the most upsetting is people’s response to it, honestly. The shaming of people who were praying for the victims was happening, even while the thing was still going on and people were tweeting requests for prayers. And the willingness for people to jump to gun control immediately. It’s like they have a complete blind spot about seeing that this happened in Paris, where there are even more stringent gun laws. Peggy Noonan wrote are really nice piece in the WSJ, where she talked about how liberals could never label communism as evil, or the USSR as “the evil empire,” they focused on the arms race instead, and wanted America to disarm, as if that would somehow change some essential truths about the ugliness that was the USSR. It’s very much like that. I’ve been so disheartened by the way people are so divided. And I think a lot of my well-meaning neighbors are completely naive.
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
Bingo. I have eyes and can see just fine without an unelected federal bureaucrat telling what I saw. I don’t think anyone has to be exposed to FBI classified information to figure this one out.
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There’s that uncanny gut impulse again. I’m sure y’all instantly divined that al-Qaida carried out the 9/11 attacks, and that you felt it in your gut that Iraq had WMDs. Why would San Bernardito be any different? Law enforcement and intelligence analysis be damned, it was an Islamic State directed terrorist attack! How do I know that, you might you ask? I feel it I my gut. [/quote]
It is a week later, change your mind yet Bismark?
It wasn’t “gut impulse” that made this so obvious.
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Leave Bismark alone he has some scholarly College papers to complete. He can’t be bothered with what’s happening in the real world. That’s best left to adults anyway.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, I read or heard somewhere that women are actually more likely to kill their child than a man is. Kids are at greater risk from stepfathers or their mother’s boyfriends. One more reason for a guy to stay with the mother of his children. Leave her and some dude might move in a start abusing your kids.[/quote]
Completely off the topic, but I’ve heard that argument from a life insurance salesman. “You don’t want your widow to be in a financial situation where she needs to remarry because a stepfather is more likely to abuse your kids.” Maybe, but that’s completely playing to people’s fears, right?
About women, or anyone being capable of this kind of violence. - It’s a sick thing. Plenty of fathers would walk through fire, or jump into raging flood waters to save their kids, so it’s not just a maternal instinct. Remember when Push’s son had his hand so badly injured in an industrial accident? I’m sure he’d have risked his own arm to prevent that if he could have.
And yes, we have all heard of parents who go nuts and kill the whole family or something, but this is in some ways even more disturbing because it’s motivated by an ideology that seems justified and rational to these jihadist individuals. That example I gave about the woman associated with Hamas who had three of her sons die as suicide bombers? She had enough support from her community to be elected to represent them. That’s scary indeed.
This whole thing felt very close to home for me. I’ve been to meetings at Regional Centers many times for work, and as a parent. And we lived near that area when we first moved to CA.
But, the thing that seems the most upsetting is people’s response to it, honestly. The shaming of people who were praying for the victims was happening, even while the thing was still going on and people were tweeting requests for prayers. And the willingness for people to jump to gun control immediately. It’s like they have a complete blind spot about seeing that this happened in Paris, where there are even more stringent gun laws. Peggy Noonan wrote are really nice piece in the WSJ, where she talked about how liberals could never label communism as evil, or the USSR as “the evil empire,” they focused on the arms race instead, and wanted America to disarm, as if that would somehow change some essential truths about the ugliness that was the USSR. It’s very much like that. I’ve been so disheartened by the way people are so divided. And I think a lot of my well-meaning neighbors are completely naive. [/quote]
as an aside aside … I fuckin’ love Peggy Noonan. That is all.
Man Accused Of Threatening Neighbor With Sword Suspected Of Being ?Radicalized Muslim?
Mohamed Ahmed Elrawi, 57, of Victorville, was arrested on suspicion of attempted murder early Tuesday, according to the Victorville Daily Press. Deputies told the newspaper evidence inside Elrawi?s apartment suggested he may have been a radicalized Muslim.
This is the same general area as San Bernardino.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
As it’s been mentioned, there is no hesitation to use women and children. Palestinian terror organizations have strapped bombs to mentally handicapped kids and blown them up.[/quote]
Not long ago Obama taunted the republicans regarding his inane immigration stance. “the republicans are afraid of women and children.”
I noticed that he’s not saying that anymore…
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Ralph Peters has a most appropriate response to Obama’s taunting. [/quote]
Saw this earlier but even though I too believe Bam is a pussy what I really agree with even more strongly is that the American people aren’t “scared,” they’re angry.
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I agree as well. However, didn’t many of us here predict terror would be on the rise as a result of the president’s actions for years? I know I did, I am pretty sure you did.
Keep in mind, this is not something I want to be right about. I would rather be dead wrong and a fool. Unfortunately…
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
Btw, I read or heard somewhere that women are actually more likely to kill their child than a man is. Kids are at greater risk from stepfathers or their mother’s boyfriends. One more reason for a guy to stay with the mother of his children. Leave her and some dude might move in a start abusing your kids.[/quote]
Completely off the topic, but I’ve heard that argument from a life insurance salesman. “You don’t want your widow to be in a financial situation where she needs to remarry because a stepfather is more likely to abuse your kids.” Maybe, but that’s completely playing to people’s fears, right?
About women, or anyone being capable of this kind of violence. - It’s a sick thing. Plenty of fathers would walk through fire, or jump into raging flood waters to save their kids, so it’s not just a maternal instinct. Remember when Push’s son had his hand so badly injured in an industrial accident? I’m sure he’d have risked his own arm to prevent that if he could have.
And yes, we have all heard of parents who go nuts and kill the whole family or something, but this is in some ways even more disturbing because it’s motivated by an ideology that seems justified and rational to these jihadist individuals. That example I gave about the woman associated with Hamas who had three of her sons die as suicide bombers? She had enough support from her community to be elected to represent them. That’s scary indeed.
This whole thing felt very close to home for me. I’ve been to meetings at Regional Centers many times for work, and as a parent. And we lived near that area when we first moved to CA.
But, the thing that seems the most upsetting is people’s response to it, honestly. The shaming of people who were praying for the victims was happening, even while the thing was still going on and people were tweeting requests for prayers. And the willingness for people to jump to gun control immediately. It’s like they have a complete blind spot about seeing that this happened in Paris, where there are even more stringent gun laws. Peggy Noonan wrote are really nice piece in the WSJ, where she talked about how liberals could never label communism as evil, or the USSR as “the evil empire,” they focused on the arms race instead, and wanted America to disarm, as if that would somehow change some essential truths about the ugliness that was the USSR. It’s very much like that. I’ve been so disheartened by the way people are so divided. And I think a lot of my well-meaning neighbors are completely naive. [/quote]
as an aside aside … I fuckin’ love Peggy Noonan. That is all.[/quote]
I don’t agree with her all the time, but she frequently has an intelligent take on things that is her own. I like that she isn’t a news aggregator who rephrases or parrots what everyone else is saying.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
11 Public Figures, Groups Who Agree With Trump’s Muslim Ban Plan
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-muslim-ban-public-figure/2015/12/09/id/705136/[/quote]
If he’d have said “limit or halt immigration from certain countries…” or lets “limit visas from certain countries”… Lots of people from both sides of the aisle would have agreed with that.
Instead he said “Muslims.” That’s the problem, and I can’t believe he’s continued to double down on it, instead of just naming some countries - think Syria, Iraq, Libya - that we might halt travel or immigration from. Since when do people’s passports declare their religion? He didn’t need to go there, but he did. And he’s making conservatives look crazy by saying this stuff. Good job Trump, you have me agreeing with my liberal neighbor about how you’re a nut. He’s going to divide us and give it to Hillary. That will be his legacy.
Can you imagine what the leaders of ISIS are thinking when they hear us talk like the answer to this is for Americans to turn in their guns? They must be laughing at us right now. That does make me mad.
There was a WSJ Op Ed piece yesterday about Obama’s strategy. It was called “Fighting Terror by Self-Reproach.”
“…By pretending that the extreme branch of Islam to which Farook plainly belonged is a protected religion rather than a dangerous ideology. By supposing that is somehow immoral to harbor graver reservations about 10,0000 refugees from Syria or Iraq than, say New Zealand. By being so afraid to give moral offense that we neglect to play the most elementary for of defense…” "This is President Obam’s vision of society… "
He’d rather further the argument for gun control, or scold us for not being culturally sensitive.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
As it’s been mentioned, there is no hesitation to use women and children. Palestinian terror organizations have strapped bombs to mentally handicapped kids and blown them up.[/quote]
Not long ago Obama taunted the republicans regarding his inane immigration stance. “the republicans are afraid of women and children.”
I noticed that he’s not saying that anymore…
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Ralph Peters has a most appropriate response to Obama’s taunting. [/quote]
Saw this earlier but even though I too believe Bam is a pussy what I really agree with even more strongly is that the American people aren’t “scared,” they’re angry.
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I agree as well. However, didn’t many of us here predict terror would be on the rise as a result of the president’s actions for years? I know I did, I am pretty sure you did.
Keep in mind, this is not something I want to be right about. I would rather be dead wrong and a fool. Unfortunately…[/quote]
The tragedy in San Bernardino was a perfect opportunity for Americans to come together and be united against Radical Islam. Instead, he took the opportunity to further his gun control agenda. Remember how everyone felt after 9/11? This has been the opposite of that feeling. That part disturbs me.
I mean, it’s not like it’s a risky thing to come out strongly against Radical Islam. Even organizations like Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch will condemn organized terror organizations that use child soldiers, murder civilians, kidnapping of school girls, use kids as suicide bombers…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Good thing we asked the woman.
Calif. Mass Killer Was Asked if She Was Terrorist on Entry Visa
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I’m shocked, SHOCKED, that a terrorist would lie on her application.
-“Hey Tafsheen, are you a terrorist” ?
-“No.”
- “You’re good, come on in” !
Powerpuff:
The President could commandeer a jet and personally Suicide Bomb the palace of El-Baghdadi himself; and many Americans would not rally behind him.
What he says or doesn’t say; or does or doesn’t do seems to make little if any difference. People will take his words and actions and create their own narrative. He probably knows that.
November can’t come soon enough.
Mufasa
“I got you.”
With his final three words, Georgia native Shannon Hilliard Johnson became a hero. Moments later, Johnson was one of 14 people killed in a mass shooting Dec. 2 in San Bernardino, Calif…
An environmental health specialist, Johnson was attending a holiday party with his co-workers when a fellow San Bernardino County employee and his wife opened fire. Johnson had been seated next to a co-worker, Denise Peraza. But when the chaos began, he put his arm around her before shielding her behind a chair.
“I got you,” Johnson said, according to Peraza.
Peraza was shot in the back, but survived. Johnson was killed.
In the days after the shooting, Peraza released a statement detailing Johnsonâ??s heroism in his final moments.
â??I believe I am still here today because of this amazing man,â?? Peraza said. â??This amazing, selfless man who always brought a smile to everyoneâ??s face in the office with his lively stories about his hometown back in Georgia. This is Shannon Johnson, who will be deeply missed by all. This is Shannon Johnson. My friend, my hero.â??
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/funeral-saturday-for-georgian-whose-final-words-we/npfW4/
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Powerpuff:
The President could commandeer a jet and personally Suicide Bomb the palace of El-Baghdadi himself; and many Americans would not rally behind him.
What he says or doesn’t say; or does or doesn’t do seems to make little if any difference. People will take his words and actions and create their own narrative. He probably knows that.
Mufasa
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It’s depressing to think that we’re a lost cause. That we’re incapable of being unified behind anything. You think I just need to lower my expectations?
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Powerpuff:
The President could commandeer a jet and personally Suicide Bomb the palace of El-Baghdadi himself; and many Americans would not rally behind him.
What he says or doesn’t say; or does or doesn’t do seems to make little if any difference. People will take his words and actions and create their own narrative. He probably knows that.
November can’t come soon enough.
Mufasa
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Ha ha I love your posts regarding Obama you are quite consistent. You never actually defend Obama. You simply throw up your hands and say things like the above nonsense.
But then again there is no real defense for such a poor President, so what else can you say?
Keep swinging for him though Mufasa someone might listen. And it is quite entertaining. 
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Powerpuff:
The President could commandeer a jet and personally Suicide Bomb the palace of El-Baghdadi himself; and many Americans would not rally behind him.
What he says or doesn’t say; or does or doesn’t do seems to make little if any difference. People will take his words and actions and create their own narrative. He probably knows that.
Mufasa
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It’s depressing to think that we’re a lost cause. That we’re incapable of being unified behind anything. You think I just need to lower my expectations?
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How could anyone be unified behind a President that divides the country black against white…Rich against poor…Christian vs non Christian…The divisions are endless with Obama.
He was a divider from day one. Before becoming President he was the most liberal Senator in the US Senate, that is when he actually showed up to vote for the two years her served before he began running for President.
He’s a community organizer do you know what that means? He stirs things up to get what he wants. He was never a leader and that is one of the reasons we are in the mess that we’re in.
People harp about Trump and I agree he is a loud mouth who alienates many. But, Obama is his mirror image. Unfortunately, he always gets a free pass from the left wing media.
If you are not sure what the left wing media is go back a couple of debates and watch the CNBC moderators attack (not ask questions) the republican candidates.
Someday perhaps we will have a President who can unite us, but I highly doubt it at this point. We are far too polarized.