Russia Won't Go Away

95% of people who complain about Trump’s tweeting never liked Trump to begin with and wouldn’t change their opinion of him if he stopped.

That’s true. I can only add that I hate Trump’s tweeting and am actually not that thrilled that he ended up as President. But as I have said before the choice was just awful. And I chose the best of two options.

As for the Russian investigation, it’s nothing but a witch hunt. And I want everyone to remember me saying that this will backfire on the dems in the mid-term elections if Trump is not found to be guilty of Russian collusion and impeached or forced to resign.

Bringing Flynn down will not mean squat! If they don’t get Trump they lose bigly!

Partial quoted me, ignored the part where I said actions should be judged independently. Ignored the part where I said I’ve personally condemned Obama numerous times for the exact thing you were trying to deflect with.

Really big letdown to see your reading comprehension fall this far.

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It’s not my reading comprehension it’s just the fact that I was ignoring that part.

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Forgive me but like the great Yankee Yogi Berra once said: I’m having deja vu all over again.

If he actrually rigged the election, then yes, both of those things would be simultaneously true.

His wounds so far on this are all self-inflicted. Contradicting your own staff running damage control is the action of a clown.

Mike Pence would be justified in primarying against him if he pulls that crap again.

Yep. And the thing is that Trump didn’t actually need to orchestrate anything, so he can still be a clown. The Russians were already well on the way in wanting to help him get elected.

Frankly all he has to say is “yeah, if you can get that send it to me”. Hell he wouldn’t even necessarily have to say that either. I don’t think he called up Putin’s cronies and said, “hey, we gotta put a plan together”.

All it would really take is a willingness to use the info. The Russians can mastermind their own meddling. I do not believe he rigged the election, but there are many degrees of possible culpability that would not require a mastermind level of scheming.

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I currently suspect that the adage “never put down to malice what you can attribute to stupidity” is correct.

I am not convinced of the actual collusion of (most of) the Trump team. God knows, if it is true, it is like watching the world’s most incompetent cover-up implode before our eyes.

The Russians have meddled before, such as when Kruschev activated his KGB plants to assist JFK’s election, but if this was collusion between major components of the POTUS’s staff, that would be unprecedented.

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If all it takes to rig an election is a rich connected guy making a few phone calls, then by extension all elections in the hacking era would be hacked, no?

There are plenty of rich connected guys, all they’d have to do is make a few calls, pass the information on to their candidate of choice and voila!

You can bet that if anyone close to Trump (Flynn, Manafort, etc.) goes down due to the Russia investigation, it will reflect horribly on Trump. It would show an unbelievable lack of judgement on his part. If that happens, the midterms are not going to go your way.

One hundred percent this. No one believes Trump was the “mastermind” behind some grand scheme to steal an election. I’ve said it numerous times before: for Trump, the ends always justify the means. Just as he’s likely done in business throughout his life, he may not see the sausage being made, but he knows damn well when he tells one of his cronies to “make it happen” that corners are cut, backroom deals are made, etc.

If something materializes from this investigation, in the very least, he’ll be complicit.

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They spent a year and a Half trying dig up dirt on Trump during his campaign and the best they could Find was a tape with him bragging about grabbing groupy pussy. That’s even after the Obama administration illegally unmasked discussions at Trump tower.

I swear the term Trump Derangement Syndrome was a joke at first but I think it’s quite clear it’s real.

[quote=“Tyler23, post:1252, topic:226860”]
"…No one believes Trump was the “mastermind” behind some grand scheme to steal an election. I’ve said it numerous times before: for Trump, the ends always justify the means. Just as he’s likely done in business throughout his life, he may not see the sausage being made, but he knows damn well when he tells one of his cronies to “make it happen” that corners are cut, backroom deals are made, etc…[/quote]

Agree x 100…

And I can assure you that in his business dealings and in his Life; Trump has mastered at least one of the fundamentals of Politics…“Plausible Deniability”…

There is no way (at least I hope he was that smart)…to be directly involved with the Russians…but rest assured that people like Manafort and Flynn had not problem whatsoever “making it happen”.

Trump’s problem is that he just can’t leave an issue alone…especially if he views it as a slight against his “greatness and biglyness”…

I will say it again…at the end of this Presidency…the greatest “enemy” that Trump will have is himself.

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No way man. Loony leftys are inventing all of his trip ups. He’s not actually releasing classified intel to the Russians then tweeting about it. He never actually had agents of a foreign state working directly in the White House. All part of the game!

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I highly doubt that. Trump terminated Flynn as soon as he was under suspicion that gives Trump a free pass. Unless of course Trump is involved as I have said. The dems are going for the whole ball of wax on this one and if they don’t get Trump after calling for a special prosecutor they will get badly bloodied in the mid-term elections.

Here’s why, most people are not like you and I. They go about their business not having many political discussions. They are more concerned with what is happening in their own personal lives. And if all the hullabaloo that the dems have caused comes to nothing the masses will look at this as the dems playing politics and not taking care of the people’s business. And as I have said their reward for this great distraction will be losses in the mid-term elections. Which I fully understand is contrary to what usually happens during a mid-term election as the Presidents party almost always loses seats.

Now if they somehow nail Trump that’s another story. So you better hope Trump is both the idiot that you have been calling him and also some sort of genius who colluded with Russia in an incredibly timely fashion and won the election. You better hope that there is something very big in this Russian nonsense otherwise you will be one very unhappy democrat.

And what proof do you have that he operates this way?

Tell me exactly what these two guys made happen?

What exactly are you alluding to?

You’ve got to be kidding with this statement. That is not what happened at all.

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Indeed. According to Trump himself:

And of course, it was all the fault of the media. From the article:

"Trump defended his administration’s handling of the situation, instead blaming media outlets and the officials who leaked details of Flynn’s calls to them. Trump appeared to contradict himself by calling the leaks “real” and the reporting “fake.”


Meanwhile, suspicion had been swirling around Flynn for months:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/obama-trump-michael-flynn/

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Looks like Twitter only works for Trump when on US soil. Here he’s blaming the leaks on the UK for giving him information on the Manchester attack.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/868840252227674113

He’s saying that the leaks of Intel by the deep state are causing the US’s foreign relations to suffer.

Judging from your interpretation of his tweet I think you must be hallucinating