Rudy Discusses Terrorism

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]etaco wrote:
Whether the guy is guilty or not- though it doesn’t look good considering the number of accusers and other factors- is irrelevant. If you don’t think this sort baggage will weigh like an anchor around Giuliani’s neck in the general, then you’ve drunk the cool-aid. Swiftboat what?

The fact of the matter is that while Giuliani’s baggage is easy to overlook for New Yorkers and other urbanites, he will struggle in the rest of the country as people get to know him and get beyond just his image from 9/11. He is a one issue candidate. Though that one issue is quite important, it will not be sufficient to carry him to a general election victory.

The last thing I want to see is both the executive and legislature controlled by the Democrats. Giuliani has a decent chance in the primaries do to the front loading of the major blue states, but he won’t carry those in the general. Like a tuna fish sandwich, he may look good now, he may look good a few minutes from now, but left out in the open all day he will spoil.
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I hope you’re right. The only thing worse than the Democrats in control of both branches would be Rudy in the White House.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
Again Jeff, I am not a Dem. I am a conservative who used to vote Republican 99% of the time until the GOP got hi-jacked by a bunch of neo-con hacks.
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Don’t waste your breath. Jeffrey has no idea of the meaning of the word conservative. For him Republican = conservative, regardless of policies, results or anything else. JeffR, pro-life, anti-Second Amendment, pro-surveillance state, has decided what a conservative is, and you aren’t it.

Go read some Burke, Kirk, or even Goldwater Jeffy, and then come lecture us about what a conservative is.

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[quote]T-MIA wrote:
Recruitment levels are not skyrocketing, but retention/recruiting levels are at an acceptable level to DOD and actually exceeded their goal every year of this war[/quote]

Lemme guess…none of the guys in charge thought people would fall for the “protect your country, ship to Iraq” rethoric.

Goes to show that there’s no such thing as underestimating human stupidity.

P.S: No offense. I just couldn’t resist to make that crack. Anyway, do you have anything substantiating that they exceeded their goals? I’ll be most interested in consulting it. Thanks.

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The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Rudy Guliani is nothing more than an ignorant baboon. Compared to Ron Paul or John McCain he is an absolute idiot.

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[quote]T-MIA wrote:
Recruitment levels are not skyrocketing, but retention/recruiting levels are at an acceptable level to DOD and actually exceeded their goal every year of this war[/quote]

I don’t know about that. Junior leaders are starting to leave in higher numbers, and according to the two friends of mine who’ve served in Iraq, the quality of both regular duty and reserve component Army enlisted men is sinking rapidly.

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[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).
[/quote]

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.

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[quote]oKLAHOMA sTATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Rudy Guliani is nothing more than an ignorant baboon. Compared to Ron Paul or John McCain he is an absolute idiot.[/quote]

After reading this, I’m convinced that you need to be either banned or lose my bet.

What a horrible post.

If you don’t vote, you shouldn’t say one word about anything political.

JeffR

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[quote]gDollars37 wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.[/quote]

This post sums you up, gdol.

You have to have been truly uninformed (or in your case a sham) to be surprised at the pathetic dem Congress.

I have to admit, that I didn’t expect them to be THIS bad.

However, there are many subjective ways to determine if a person is a Conservative. Many of these are open to interpretation.

However, voting straight democrat, in any election, for any reason, immediately, and fully invalidates your claim.

No one can vote straight democrat and be considered a Conservative. It’s an OBJECTIVE measure of Conservatism.

If a Conservative was truly angered by the Republicans, he/she would write in a candidate.

Under no circumstances, would that person walk into a voting booth, and pull the democratic lever.

ESPECIALLY, if said person had obvious signs that the democrats were in disarray, leaderless, rudderless, pointless, and without direction.

In summary, you are many things, Conservative isn’t one of them.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.

This post sums you up, gdol.

You have to have been truly uninformed (or in your case a sham) to be surprised at the pathetic dem Congress.

I have to admit, that I didn’t expect them to be THIS bad.

However, there are many subjective ways to determine if a person is a Conservative. Many of these are open to interpretation.

However, voting straight democrat, in any election, for any reason, immediately, and fully invalidates your claim.

No one can vote straight democrat and be considered a Conservative. It’s an OBJECTIVE measure of Conservatism.

If a Conservative was truly angered by the Republicans, he/she would write in a candidate.

Under no circumstances, would that person walk into a voting booth, and pull the democratic lever.

ESPECIALLY, if said person had obvious signs that the democrats were in disarray, leaderless, rudderless, pointless, and without direction.

In summary, you are many things, Conservative isn’t one of them.

JeffR

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Maybe you can’t understand the sense of betrayal many conservatives feel toward Bush and the Republican Congress, because you have never been a conservative, just a reflexive Republican hack.

Under no circumstances would a conservative vote for the Democrats? Really?

How about Joe Scarborough, part of the Republican Revolution class of 1994, with a lifetime 95% rating from the American Conservative Union?

Richard Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer who’s been called the “funding father” of conservative campaigning?

Bruce Bartlett, former Heritage Foundation fellow and taxation adviser to Reagan and the first President Bush?

I’ve got a suspicion their conservative credentials are slightly better than those of an internet Rudy Giuliani cheerleader, but maybe I’m mistaken.

They, and other conservatives, are on the record here, in October 2006:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0610.forum.html

I can find more. Should I keep going? Seems unnecessary.

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[quote]gDollars37 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.

This post sums you up, gdol.

You have to have been truly uninformed (or in your case a sham) to be surprised at the pathetic dem Congress.

I have to admit, that I didn’t expect them to be THIS bad.

However, there are many subjective ways to determine if a person is a Conservative. Many of these are open to interpretation.

However, voting straight democrat, in any election, for any reason, immediately, and fully invalidates your claim.

No one can vote straight democrat and be considered a Conservative. It’s an OBJECTIVE measure of Conservatism.

If a Conservative was truly angered by the Republicans, he/she would write in a candidate.

Under no circumstances, would that person walk into a voting booth, and pull the democratic lever.

ESPECIALLY, if said person had obvious signs that the democrats were in disarray, leaderless, rudderless, pointless, and without direction.

In summary, you are many things, Conservative isn’t one of them.

JeffR

Maybe you can’t understand the sense of betrayal many conservatives feel toward Bush and the Republican Congress, because you have never been a conservative, just a reflexive Republican hack.

Under no circumstances would a conservative vote for the Democrats? Really?

How about Joe Scarborough, part of the Republican Revolution class of 1994, with a lifetime 95% rating from the American Conservative Union?

Richard Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer who’s been called the “funding father” of conservative campaigning?

Bruce Bartlett, former Heritage Foundation fellow and taxation adviser to Reagan and the first President Bush?

I’ve got a suspicion their conservative credentials are slightly better than those of an internet Rudy Giuliani cheerleader, but maybe I’m mistaken.

They, and other conservatives, are on the record here, in October 2006:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0610.forum.html

I can find more. Should I keep going? Seems unnecessary.[/quote]

He was such a nice boy until he snapped…

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.

This post sums you up, gdol.

You have to have been truly uninformed (or in your case a sham) to be surprised at the pathetic dem Congress.

I have to admit, that I didn’t expect them to be THIS bad.

However, there are many subjective ways to determine if a person is a Conservative. Many of these are open to interpretation.

However, voting straight democrat, in any election, for any reason, immediately, and fully invalidates your claim.

No one can vote straight democrat and be considered a Conservative. It’s an OBJECTIVE measure of Conservatism.

If a Conservative was truly angered by the Republicans, he/she would write in a candidate.

Under no circumstances, would that person walk into a voting booth, and pull the democratic lever.

ESPECIALLY, if said person had obvious signs that the democrats were in disarray, leaderless, rudderless, pointless, and without direction.

In summary, you are many things, Conservative isn’t one of them.

JeffR

Maybe you can’t understand the sense of betrayal many conservatives feel toward Bush and the Republican Congress, because you have never been a conservative, just a reflexive Republican hack.

Under no circumstances would a conservative vote for the Democrats? Really?

How about Joe Scarborough, part of the Republican Revolution class of 1994, with a lifetime 95% rating from the American Conservative Union?

Richard Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer who’s been called the “funding father” of conservative campaigning?

Bruce Bartlett, former Heritage Foundation fellow and taxation adviser to Reagan and the first President Bush?

I’ve got a suspicion their conservative credentials are slightly better than those of an internet Rudy Giuliani cheerleader, but maybe I’m mistaken.

They, and other conservatives, are on the record here, in October 2006:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0610.forum.html

I can find more. Should I keep going? Seems unnecessary.

He was such a nice boy until he snapped…

JeffR[/quote]

I’ll take that as an admission that you have no argument.

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I for one am excited that a man who wishes to be the leader of the free world has this to say about freedom:

“Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”

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Ren, nice catch. Sounds pretty much like an authoritarian viewpoint. I guess I can see why Jerffy is so stuck on this guy.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
I for one am excited that a man who wishes to be the leader of the free world has this to say about freedom:

“Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”[/quote]

That’s perfectly accurate if you replace every “Freedom” with “Fascism”.

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[quote]gDollars37 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
gDollars37 wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
The only reason I don’t criticize the Dems is I could give a rat’s ass what those baby-killing, Christian-hating, multiculturalism lovings, socialist morons are up to. Ok, that was a little harsh, but I really could care less what the Dems are up to.

The reason I criticize the GOP is because 20 years ago the GOP was conservative. It was anti-corruption, anti-big government, pro-fiscal-responsibility, anti-immigration, and anti-starting bullshit wars.

The GOP has morphed the last few years into something unrecognizable. The current GOP is sick and disgusting, for the most part. Does that mean I vote Democratic? No. It simply means I don’t vote, and will not vote until the GOP presents a canidate who actually is a conservative (in the mold of Bush I and Reagan).

Good post. Some of us tried voting Democrat, thought it would wake the GOP up. Given the middle school level of foreign policy debate in the Republican Party, that doesn’t seem to have happened. If Rudy or Romney wins the Republican nomination, I’m gonna have a real tough call, trying to decide whether to write in Larry Bird or Tom Brady.

This post sums you up, gdol.

You have to have been truly uninformed (or in your case a sham) to be surprised at the pathetic dem Congress.

I have to admit, that I didn’t expect them to be THIS bad.

However, there are many subjective ways to determine if a person is a Conservative. Many of these are open to interpretation.

However, voting straight democrat, in any election, for any reason, immediately, and fully invalidates your claim.

No one can vote straight democrat and be considered a Conservative. It’s an OBJECTIVE measure of Conservatism.

If a Conservative was truly angered by the Republicans, he/she would write in a candidate.

Under no circumstances, would that person walk into a voting booth, and pull the democratic lever.

ESPECIALLY, if said person had obvious signs that the democrats were in disarray, leaderless, rudderless, pointless, and without direction.

In summary, you are many things, Conservative isn’t one of them.

JeffR

Maybe you can’t understand the sense of betrayal many conservatives feel toward Bush and the Republican Congress, because you have never been a conservative, just a reflexive Republican hack.

Under no circumstances would a conservative vote for the Democrats? Really?

How about Joe Scarborough, part of the Republican Revolution class of 1994, with a lifetime 95% rating from the American Conservative Union?

Richard Viguerie, the direct mail pioneer who’s been called the “funding father” of conservative campaigning?

Bruce Bartlett, former Heritage Foundation fellow and taxation adviser to Reagan and the first President Bush?

I’ve got a suspicion their conservative credentials are slightly better than those of an internet Rudy Giuliani cheerleader, but maybe I’m mistaken.

They, and other conservatives, are on the record here, in October 2006:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0610.forum.html

I can find more. Should I keep going? Seems unnecessary.

He was such a nice boy until he snapped…

JeffR

I’ll take that as an admission that you have no argument.[/quote]

gdol,

There are no circumstances in which I have NO argument.

You should know that by now.

Did you think it through?

It’s like saying, “He was such a model citizen until he became a serial arsonist.”

Translation: Whatever happened before with the people you mentioned, is overshadowed by the act of voting democratic.

People can be 100% Conservative. However, the moment they decide to vote democratic, it is immediately and irrevocably invalidated.

You on the other hand are an ardent foe of Republican issues. Take a look at your posts and any threads started by you.

It’s close to 100-0 in favor of democratic talking points.

Therefore, don’t try to compare yourself to any previous or current Conservatives.

Got it?

Great.

JeffR

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[quote]ren wrote:
I for one am excited that a man who wishes to be the leader of the free world has this to say about freedom:

“Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”[/quote]

Hey, renny.

Wasn’t that from 1994?

Here is the original.

Judge for yourself what he said 13 years ago.

Here’s 2007:

http://www.nysun.com/article/49337

Oh, renny. If quotes from 13 years ago are fair game, I’m chomping at the bit for the general election.

JeffR

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Interesting discussion about the contours of a Rudy versus rodham race.

Please disregard all polling information inherent in the article ):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/the_shape_of_a_hillaryrudy_rac.html

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:

gdol,

There are no circumstances in which I have NO argument.

You should know that by now.

Did you think it through?

It’s like saying, “He was such a model citizen until he became a serial arsonist.”

Translation: Whatever happened before with the people you mentioned, is overshadowed by the act of voting democratic.

People can be 100% Conservative. However, the moment they decide to vote democratic, it is immediately and irrevocably invalidated.
[/quote]

OK. So you dictate what conservatism is, not former Congressmen, activists, and journalists? Can you even define the word? Do you even know who Burke, Kirk, Buckley, or Goldwater were? You’re a Republican, not a conservative. Not the same thing. Just come to terms with it.

Yup, you got me. I’m a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, anti-government, Christian Democrat. You’ve got me figured out.

Hint: maybe when we’ve got a Republican president who’s set conservatism back years if not decades, driven an entire generation of new voters into the arms of the Democrats, capitulated to multiculturalism, sullied America’s reputation through condoning torture, and ruined an unassailable Republican advantage on national security, maybe that’s worth more words of protest than whatever the Democrats are doing? Sorry that I take the Republican Jimmy Carter so seriously.

THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE even urged its readers to vote Democrat in 2006, as a repudiation of the disastrous course of the last few years:

"There may be little Americans can do to atone for this presidency, which will stain our country�??s reputation for a long time. But the process of recovering our good name must begin somewhere, and the logical place is in the voting booth this Nov. 7.

We have no illusions that a Democratic majority would be able to reverse Bush�??s policies, even if they had a plan to. We are aware that on a host of issues the Democrats are further from TAC�??s positions than the Republicans are."

http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_11_20/feature.html

I can’t decide whether you’re an idiot or just such a Republican hack you don’t even care about a single issue, just whether your guys win. Jury’s still out.

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I can’t decide whether you’re an idiot or just such a Republican hack you don’t even care about a single issue, just whether your guys win. Jury’s still out.[/quote]

No, no, the jury came back after the shortest deliberations in history. Verdict? He’s an idiot who only cares that his guy win.

Maybe you blinked and missed it.