Ron Paul's Chances in 2012?

Big_Banana · January 6, 2011, 6:14pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
Nice double talk from Paul.

He earmarks money for unconstitutional spending and then tries to bullshit about it.

Phony. [/quote]

So, the system being as it is, what would you suggest he should do?

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Not use earmarks for unconstitutional spending.[/quote]

Well that would mean no earmarks at all.

Which would be fine with him, but as long as there are earmarks he makes sure his disctrict gets their cut.

Where is the problem?

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His hypocrisy.

Earmark something within the constitution.[/quote]

And where in the constitution does it say that the federal budget can be used to pay for local expenses?

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Exactly my point. He knowingly misspends money and his only defense is that others are doing it and he wants to get his share.[/quote]

That is just not what he does.

He votes against it.

So there are only two options:

Either the bill does not pass, then noone gets any money, which is what he votes for.

Or, in case that does not happen and the bill passes, his district gets its cut. [/quote]

Except what he is saying isn’t true. He could reduce the budget by that amount and chooses not to.

He then compounds the problem by spending the earmarks on unconstitutional projects.

pittbulll · January 6, 2011, 6:36pm

I really do not know if Paul is a liar or not , I personally would not take something another politician said against him to be objective . I heard that you will see the Republicans and the Democrats UNITE in opposition to a third party. I would guess that means a third parties ideals as well

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · January 6, 2011, 7:22pm

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
It is money spent to enrich some in his district.
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…AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY STOLEN FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Big_Banana · January 6, 2011, 7:30pm

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
It is money spent to enrich some in his district.
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…AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY STOLEN FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/quote]

You still don’t get it. it was taken from individual taxpayers.

It was then given to others who have political influence.

It was not returned to the taxpayers.

It was given to corporations to do a task that is not a federal responsibility according to the constitution.

Keep thinking about it and it will sink in.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · January 6, 2011, 8:55pm

It is not for them to take it in the first place.

Vegita · January 6, 2011, 9:06pm

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
It is money spent to enrich some in his district.
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…AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY STOLEN FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/quote]

You still don’t get it. it was taken from individual taxpayers.

It was then given to others who have political influence.

It was not returned to the taxpayers.

It was given to corporations to do a task that is not a federal responsibility according to the constitution.

Keep thinking about it and it will sink in.

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Banana, Let’s take a real worl hypothetical. Govt takes 2 Million from Pauls district in taxes. That money will not be refunded back to the people in pauls district under any circumstance. UNLESS Paul earmarks it for a project in that district. Say he earmarks the money to come back to a city in his district for a museum remodel project, including bringing in various displays featuring the constitution etc… Or perhaps he brings the money back as an earmark to help repair some local sewer districts and thus, the local taxpayers don’t have to take a LOCAL tax hike to fix thier sewer system. ETC… ETC…

It may not be perfect, but you are acting like Paul takes hsi earmark money and just grabs it and throws it in some political peoples pockets. The people in his district keep voting him back for a reason. He helps reclaim the money the government steals from them. The guy is a modern day Robin Hood. Moreso than anyone on the left who claim to want to “steal from the rich and give to the poor”

If you remember, Robin Hood stole from the King and other royalty, which was essentially the government back then. He didn’t steal from the local butcher or baker or blacksmith.

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Big_Banana · January 8, 2011, 5:47pm

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:
It is money spent to enrich some in his district.
[/quote]

…AFTER IT WAS ORIGINALLY STOLEN FROM THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/quote]

You still don’t get it. it was taken from individual taxpayers.

It was then given to others who have political influence.

It was not returned to the taxpayers.

It was given to corporations to do a task that is not a federal responsibility according to the constitution.

Keep thinking about it and it will sink in.

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Banana, Let’s take a real worl hypothetical. Govt takes 2 Million from Pauls district in taxes. That money will not be refunded back to the people in pauls district under any circumstance. UNLESS Paul earmarks it for a project in that district. Say he earmarks the money to come back to a city in his district for a museum remodel project, including bringing in various displays featuring the constitution etc… Or perhaps he brings the money back as an earmark to help repair some local sewer districts and thus, the local taxpayers don’t have to take a LOCAL tax hike to fix thier sewer system. ETC… ETC…

It may not be perfect, but you are acting like Paul takes hsi earmark money and just grabs it and throws it in some political peoples pockets. The people in his district keep voting him back for a reason. He helps reclaim the money the government steals from them. The guy is a modern day Robin Hood. Moreso than anyone on the left who claim to want to “steal from the rich and give to the poor”

If you remember, Robin Hood stole from the King and other royalty, which was essentially the government back then. He didn’t steal from the local butcher or baker or blacksmith.

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He gives it to the politically connected via contracts, same as every other congressman.

He just pretends he doesn’t.

He is as phony as the current Republican leadership.

And the Dems are a totally lost cause.

I wouldn’t give any of them a thin dime.

And don’t vote, it only encourages the bastards.

wstevens3785 · January 9, 2011, 11:56pm

Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.

ZEB · January 10, 2011, 1:00am

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:
Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.[/quote]

Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.

wstevens3785 · January 10, 2011, 1:51am

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:
Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.[/quote]

Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

That’s fair, and I agree with your response. But I don’t see anyone else bringing up the points or discussing the specific changes that need to occur like Ron Paul has. I’ll agree with some of the other responses that he isn’t the most charismatic or well-spoken politician, in fact, his public speaking skills are easily his biggest weakness. But his political and economic philosophies are one’s I align with, and I don’t see any other political figures having the courage or intellect to speak up about the fundamentals like he has. And yes I’m including the Tea Party’ers, who in my opinion are predominantly a bunch of hacks.

I passionately believe in and subscribe to the philosophy of personal liberty and the Austrian school of economic thought. These are concepts and ideals Ron Paul upholds. When someone else comes along who upholds these concepts better than Ron Paul they have my support, but all I see are statist hacks who are indifferent to where the country and the economy are headed and use the concepts of “change” as a pure boondoggle to deceive and manipulate the ignorant masses.

ZEB · January 10, 2011, 3:28am

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:
Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.[/quote]

Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

That’s fair, and I agree with your response. But I don’t see anyone else bringing up the points or discussing the specific changes that need to occur like Ron Paul has. I’ll agree with some of the other responses that he isn’t the most charismatic or well-spoken politician, in fact, his public speaking skills are easily his biggest weakness. But his political and economic philosophies are one’s I align with, and I don’t see any other political figures having the courage or intellect to speak up about the fundamentals like he has. And yes I’m including the Tea Party’ers, who in my opinion are predominantly a bunch of hacks.

I passionately believe in and subscribe to the philosophy of personal liberty and the Austrian school of economic thought. These are concepts and ideals Ron Paul upholds. When someone else comes along who upholds these concepts better than Ron Paul they have my support, but all I see are statist hacks who are indifferent to where the country and the economy are headed and use the concepts of “change” as a pure boondoggle to deceive and manipulate the ignorant masses.[/quote]

That may or may not be true, but since Paul can’t win it really matters not how great you think he is. Get behind a good republican who can win and maybe the new President will give Paul a cabinet post.

wstevens3785 · January 10, 2011, 1:45pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:
Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.[/quote]

Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

That’s fair, and I agree with your response. But I don’t see anyone else bringing up the points or discussing the specific changes that need to occur like Ron Paul has. I’ll agree with some of the other responses that he isn’t the most charismatic or well-spoken politician, in fact, his public speaking skills are easily his biggest weakness. But his political and economic philosophies are one’s I align with, and I don’t see any other political figures having the courage or intellect to speak up about the fundamentals like he has. And yes I’m including the Tea Party’ers, who in my opinion are predominantly a bunch of hacks.

I passionately believe in and subscribe to the philosophy of personal liberty and the Austrian school of economic thought. These are concepts and ideals Ron Paul upholds. When someone else comes along who upholds these concepts better than Ron Paul they have my support, but all I see are statist hacks who are indifferent to where the country and the economy are headed and use the concepts of “change” as a pure boondoggle to deceive and manipulate the ignorant masses.[/quote]

That may or may not be true, but since Paul can’t win it really matters not how great you think he is. Get behind a good republican who can win and maybe the new President will give Paul a cabinet post.
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Who in your opinion would qualify as a good republican, or democrat, or anyone, to support then? I know it’s very early, but who do you think has a good chance at the presidency that wouldn’t follow the cluster f*ck of a status quo that has been established and actually follow the guidelines of the constitution without abusing executive power and causing more of a mess we find outselves in?

I’m asking because I honestly don’t see anybody, and it contributes to the frustration I share with the majority of people out there who have been very unsatisfied with the way our country and economy have been manipulated and destroyed at the expense of our wealth and liberty.

cloakmanor · January 10, 2011, 2:18pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

I have very little faith that Republicans will reduce spending in any substantial capacity. Considering the profligate spending Republican and Democratic administrations alike have engaged in over the decades, particularly the most recent one, it is almost amusing to think “anyone other than Obama” is going to retrench the welfare-warfare state. It simply isn’t going to happen without many Ron Pauls.

Big_Banana · January 10, 2011, 2:56pm

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]wstevens3785 wrote:
Just a quick question for those who oppose or do not like Ron Paul, regardless of their reasons.

Who do you support and why? Explain their ideals and why you identify with them more than with Ron Paul’s.[/quote]

Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

Good answer. I do not support anyone, they are ALL crooks, they cannot get where they are by being honest.

I vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I want Obama out but I do not want the Republicans to have total control in 2012.

Big_Banana · January 10, 2011, 2:58pm

[quote]cloakmanor wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Any working American who pays taxes needs to support whomever is able to beat Obama in order to at least try to turn back the nanny state. I almost don’t care who it is. Ron Paul can’t do it and I want someone to step up who can.

Probably not the answer you wanted but I assure you that is just about how 60% of the country feels at this point.[/quote]

I have very little faith that Republicans will reduce spending in any substantial capacity. Considering the profligate spending Republican and Democratic administrations alike have engaged in over the decades, particularly the most recent one, it is almost amusing to think “anyone other than Obama” is going to retrench the welfare-warfare state. It simply isn’t going to happen without many Ron Pauls.[/quote]

You are right, it isn’t going to happen. Even with hundreds of Ron Pauls because he doesn’t practice what he preaches.

ZEB · January 10, 2011, 3:13pm