Can’t wait until the nomination is over…
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
As for the racism charge, again, look at how he votes. [/quote]
M’kay - so the voting records of members of Stormfront and/or the KKK would reflect their racism then, right?[/quote]
Guilt by association anyone? You’re not really THAT simple minded are you?[/quote]
Huh? Didn’t his racist publications have his name at the top? [/quote]
Dimwit, look at his ACTIONS, not what some ghost writer wrote 20 years ago. Geez you morons are unreal. Can we come up with something other than the race card and guilt by association? Try again.[/quote]
To me, being involved with racist publications IS an action. How can you say that it is not? (Didn’t I ask you (or someone) this before on this thread?) Why do you think that “20 years ago” matters? Who were the ghost writers? Was Paul one of them?
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
Guilt by association anyone? You’re not really THAT simple minded are you?[/quote]
I am looking directly at his actions - look at the publications, his involvement, and the fact that he is raking in coin from it.
And you have it exacly backwards. His actions are exactly what I am interested in.
So, explain it. And spare me (and us) the faux-smugness about how everyone who isn’t a Ron Paul cult member is “simple minded” - just answer the question.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
Guilt by association anyone? You’re not really THAT simple minded are you?[/quote]
I am looking directly at his actions - look at the publications, his involvement, and the fact that he is raking in coin from it.
And you have it exacly backwards. His actions are exactly what I am interested in.
So, explain it. And spare me (and us) the faux-smugness about how everyone who isn’t a Ron Paul cult member is “simple minded” - just answer the question.[/quote]
Wait, I thought anyone that is a cult member is simple minded !?!
<----- Confused…
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I am looking directly at his actions - look at the publications, his involvement, and the fact that he is raking in coin from it.
And you have it exacly backwards. His actions are exactly what I am interested in.
So, explain it. And spare me (and us) the faux-smugness about how everyone who isn’t a Ron Paul cult member is “simple minded” - just answer the question.[/quote]
This.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I am looking directly at his actions - look at the publications, his involvement, and the fact that he is raking in coin from it.
And you have it exacly backwards. His actions are exactly what I am interested in.
So, explain it. And spare me (and us) the faux-smugness about how everyone who isn’t a Ron Paul cult member is “simple minded” - just answer the question.[/quote]
This.
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Yes…this.
thunderbolt wrote:
"Yes, Paul said he had no idea who wrote letters that were written under his name and that generated $940,000 income for an entity named “Ron Paul & Associates” - and the tax form listed Ron Paul, his family members, and Lew Rockwell. "
This is a simple assertion. It is either true, false, or subject to some modification.
Now, surely some Ron Paul enthusiast can answer these questions: Is thunderbolt’s assertion incorrect?
If Ron Paul did not write the scurrilous letters, then why did he and others benefit from them?
Why would a perpetual vanity candidate choose not to repudiate them–and their author(s)–entirely and clearly?
To say that these events were 20 years ago is a dodge, since there is no repudiation, and he still associates himself with the probable authors.
All of Lifty’s “axioms”–merely premises, really–do not answer thunderbolt, and serve to underscore the weakness of the proffered candidate.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Yes…this.
thunderbolt wrote:
"Yes, Paul said he had no idea who wrote letters that were written under his name and that generated $940,000 income for an entity named “Ron Paul & Associates” - and the tax form listed Ron Paul, his family members, and Lew Rockwell. "
This is a simple assertion. It is either true, false, or subject to some modification.
Now, surely some Ron Paul enthusiast can answer these questions: Is thunderbolt’s assertion incorrect?
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Yes, incorrect. Ron Paul knew nothing about the ‘Ron Paul’ letters printed by ‘Ron Paul & Associates’ and earning $940,000 for Ron Paul’s family and closest associate. You know it makes sense.
Um…can I call in the brains trust? No? Okay, pass.
Everyone has a right to express their opinion. Would you repudiate a letter you knew nothing about that was written in your own name that asserted black children should be tried as adults? Of course you wouldn’t!
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
You just don’t understand Ron Paul. He may be a person of poor character but that doesn’t ultimately matter because of the amazing properties of ‘true libertarianism.’
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
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Not trough the state he wouldnt and he has a 30 year votimng record proving it.
Because, you know, if we judge character an all, we should like, look at all of it.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
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Not trough the state he wouldnt and he has a 30 year votimng record proving it.
Because, you know, if we judge character an all, we should like, look at all of it. [/quote]
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/02/09/the-ron-paul-voting-record/
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
[/quote]
Not trough the state he wouldnt and he has a 30 year votimng record proving it.
Because, you know, if we judge character an all, we should like, look at all of it. [/quote]
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/02/09/the-ron-paul-voting-record/[/quote]
You mean one can fit all is supposedly anti conservative votes on one page?
With commentary?
Considering a 30 year career?
Awesome!
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
[/quote]
Not trough the state he wouldnt and he has a 30 year votimng record proving it.
Because, you know, if we judge character an all, we should like, look at all of it. [/quote]
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/02/09/the-ron-paul-voting-record/[/quote]
You mean one can fit all is supposedly anti conservative votes on one page?
With commentary?
Considering a 30 year career?
Awesome!
[/quote]
From the article:
“…There are many other votes I could cover, but haven’t. Like Ron Paul’s vote to keep Pelosi as Speaker of the House” etc
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes but the personal character and motivations of a true libertarian candidate don’t really matter because they would never act in a way that is in accord with their own character…for some reason.
[/quote]
Not trough the state he wouldnt and he has a 30 year votimng record proving it.
Because, you know, if we judge character an all, we should like, look at all of it. [/quote]
http://thesteadyconservative.com/wordpress/2010/02/09/the-ron-paul-voting-record/[/quote]
You mean one can fit all is supposedly anti conservative votes on one page?
With commentary?
Considering a 30 year career?
Awesome!
[/quote]
From the article:
“…There are many other votes I could cover, but haven’t. Like Ron Paul’s vote to keep Pelosi as Speaker of the House” etc[/quote]
Well, there are a gazillion, quadrillion things I could do to tear apart the claims he does not care to make, but I am feeling quite apathetic in the face of so much apathy.
I understand why he does that with Paul though, because if he did it with any other candidate he would probably have to write a tome that would put War and Peace to shame.
[quote]orion wrote:
Well, there are a gazillion, quadrillion things I could do to tear apart the claims he does not care to make, but I am feeling quite apathetic in the face of so much apathy.
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That’s good. But I was pointing out it is not supposed to cover his ‘30 year career’ and mostly cites his record over the last 15 years in relation to issues that matter to conservatives.
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I understand why he does that with Paul though, because if he did it with any other candidate he would probably have to write a tome that would put War and Peace to shame. [/quote]
There are a gazillion, quadrillion things I could explain about those tomes that ‘probably’ ‘would’ exist but currently don’t, however I am likewise feeling apathetic in the face of so much apathy.