Ron Paul Revolution

“How do Republicans solve a problem like Ron Paul?”

'WASHINGTON ? Ron Paul’s strong early showing in the race for the Republican presidential nomination could leave rivals with a fateful choice: Tilt toward his views or risk an election-changing third party bid.

After coming third in Iowa and second in New Hampshire – the first votes to choose the Republican who will challenge President Barack Obama in November – the unorthodox 76-year-old has shot unexpectedly into the mainstream.

Yet there is still an overwhelming sense that Paul is in the Grand Old Party, but not of the Grand Old Party.

“He is using the Republican process to run for president, but I wouldn’t talk about him in terms of being a Republican party candidate,” said Terry Holt a veteran of George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns.

“He is a Republican because he is running in a Republican primary, but he is a libertarian, those are his political roots.”

It is a truism that Paul’s support for legalizing drugs, decimating military spending, cutting aid to Israel, ignoring Iran’s nuclear program and abolishing the Federal Reserve are anathema to most Republicans.

But Paul’s electoral performance has given him, and his sometimes controversial views, enough political clout to be respected and taken seriously.

“If Republicans don’t understand the important aspects of what Ron Paul is saying, I don’t think we will continue to exist as a party, certainly not as a majority party,” South Carolina Senator and Tea Party favorite Jim DeMint told Fox News on Thursday.

“Some of the foreign policy I can’t go with, but… the unaccountable and out of control Federal Reserve, individual liberty, the constitutional limited government, those are the concepts that Ron Paul is bringing forward and all of our country needs to listen to that.”

There are very practical reasons why Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and other Republican candidates would want to court Paul’s voters.

According to New Hampshire exit polls, Paul was the first choice among voters aged 18-29, those earning less than $50,000 a year, first time GOP voters, independents and those looking for a “true conservative.”

Few believe than Paul can parlay that support into enough delegates to win the nomination, but party elders are careful not to trample his ideas in case he bolts from the party altogether.

In 1988, the GOP fretted little about Paul’s third party bid for the presidency, but given his current success a third-party run could completely recast this year’s election.

The specter of Al Gore’s loss in the 2000 election to George W. Bush – often attributed to the third party candidacy of Ralph Nader – hangs thick in the air.

“It would add a problematic dimension to the overall popular vote,” said Holt.

How to keep Paul and his supporters inside the tent is a problem now vexing party elders.

“The thing about Ron Paul is, what does he want that we have?” Holt asked. “He has never been someone who was interested in being co-opted or in trading and dealing.”

"When I was a staffer in the Republican leadership in the House (of Representatives), whenever we were trying to find votes for whatever we were doing, he would tell us how he was voting and that was that.

“There was nothing he wanted that we could offer him in exchange for his vote.”

Already there are mutterings about giving Paul prime speaking time at the GOP convention in September – the largest political stage yet for his ideas.

But if his strong showing continues in the upcoming primaries in Florida, South Carolina and beyond, Republicans might have to think harder about how they solve the problem of Ron Paul’s rise.’

By Andrew Beatty (AFP)

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Is the coming election “We The People” Vs. Goldman Sachs?

Sen. Rand Paul returns a record $500,000 of his office budget to the United States Treasury!
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How?s that for fiscal conservatism? At a press conference in Louisville Thursday, the freshman Senator from Kentucky? one of the most visible of 2010′s ?Tea Party candidates? on the national stage? announced that he would be returning a whopping $500,000 of his U.S. Senate office?s operating budget to the U.S. Treasury.

The announcement comes as the nation struggles with massive fiscal crises on a local, state, and federal level, with federal spending and even federal deficits not only measuring in the trillions, but growing by the trillions with no end in sight. Make no mistake, every other ?major? issue or controversy in politics today is ancillary to the problem of unsustainable (to the point of collective insanity) borrowing and spending by governments, companies, and individuals the world over.

of facebook visitors to AZCENTRAL %25 of 1483 say Ron Paul could win GOP nomination,

LOL…you guys are living in some sort of fantasy land. You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. It doesn’t happen that way boys.

That dang reality will be there to bite you in the ass this year. Ron Paul will never become President, nor will he capture the GOP nomination.

I know, I know you’ll all stay home and let Obama win. No problem, let him win. like I told someone a few days ago. You will all be idealistic until you get your teeth kicked in a few times and then you’re smarten up.

Don’t you just hate me :slight_smile:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. [/quote]

You’re old and patronize people smarter than you.

We don’t believe everything “changes” all at once. We believe we should make the correct decisions so that change can happen at all.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Don’t you just hate me :)[/quote]

No. It just kind of makes me a little sad.

There once was a generation of men whose principles and standards were so high that they would proclaim “Give me liberty or give me death!” and they meant it.

Now we have a generation of men who say “Lets rally around the mediocre guy willing to be all things to everyone and therefore most likely to maintain the status-qua.”

Sometimes I feel as though I was born in the wrong era.

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Don’t you just hate me :)[/quote]

No. It just kind of makes me a little sad.

There once was a generation of men whose principles and standards were so high that they would proclaim “Give me liberty or give me death!” and they meant it.

Now we have a generation of men who say “Lets rally around the mediocre guy willing to be all things to everyone and therefore most likely to maintain the status-qua.”

Sometimes I feel as though I was born in the wrong era. [/quote]

I happen to think that " Give me liberty or at least enslave me more slowly with my own money" is an awe inspiring battle cry that will unite America behind Mitt Romney.

Is that not a spark that should turn the average cubicle hamster into a fierce warrior?

I think ZEB’s attitude and beliefs are part of the reason why we are where we are today.

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think ZEB’s attitude and beliefs are part of the reason why we are where we are today. [/quote]

Of course they are, but he has invested a lot into it and will not let them go just because they both lead to outcomes that are unsustainable.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. [/quote]

You’re old and patronize people smarter than you.

We don’t believe everything “changes” all at once. We believe we should make the correct decisions so that change can happen at all.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with being old :slight_smile: Zebs reason for being that way is because he is promoting an agenda . He is not the only one that is closed minded in these forums . He equates if he can win an argument than he is right

[quote]ZEB wrote:
LOL…you guys are living in some sort of fantasy land. You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. It doesn’t happen that way boys.

That dang reality will be there to bite you in the ass this year. Ron Paul will never become President, nor will he capture the GOP nomination.

I know, I know you’ll all stay home and let Obama win. No problem, let him win. like I told someone a few days ago. You will all be idealistic until you get your teeth kicked in a few times and then you’re smarten up.

Don’t you just hate me :)[/quote]

only because of pacificist old men like you.

change is coming, hell even jfk understood, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

enjoy the show from your rocker old man,

new polls in SC have paul at 20% and they are only polling republicans, SC is an open primary state.

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think ZEB’s attitude and beliefs are part of the reason why we are where we are today. [/quote]

Yeah, to think it only took a 4% tax on tea to break the camel’s back and move us into revolution. Look at what we take from these elitest POS now.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. [/quote]

You’re old and patronize people smarter than you.

We don’t believe everything “changes” all at once. We believe we should make the correct decisions so that change can happen at all.[/quote]

First thing you need to do is actually get a job before I take you seriously. Get off the government dole and then we can talk politics. Until then who cares what you have to say?
Not me.

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Don’t you just hate me :)[/quote]

No. It just kind of makes me a little sad.

There once was a generation of men whose principles and standards were so high that they would proclaim “Give me liberty or give me death!” and they meant it.

Now we have a generation of men who say “Lets rally around the mediocre guy willing to be all things to everyone and therefore most likely to maintain the status-qua.”

Sometimes I feel as though I was born in the wrong era. [/quote]

Yes, if we lived a couple of hundred years ago perhaps. But keep in mind that they got sweeping change by using guns. The only way change comes in the media age, politically, is in gradual steps. And if you or your cronies think that a 77 year old man with zero charisma is going to get elected … well you’re in for a shock fella! And I’m in for some good clean entertainment.

Thank you :slight_smile:

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I think ZEB’s attitude and beliefs are part of the reason why we are where we are today. [/quote]

You have it backwards—Now think about that and come back with something smart to say.

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
LOL…you guys are living in some sort of fantasy land. You’re young and actually still believe that change happens in one giant step. It doesn’t happen that way boys.

That dang reality will be there to bite you in the ass this year. Ron Paul will never become President, nor will he capture the GOP nomination.

I know, I know you’ll all stay home and let Obama win. No problem, let him win. like I told someone a few days ago. You will all be idealistic until you get your teeth kicked in a few times and then you’re smarten up.

Don’t you just hate me :)[/quote]

only because of pacificist old men like you.

change is coming, hell even jfk understood, those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

enjoy the show from your rocker old man,

new polls in SC have paul at 20% and they are only polling republicans, SC is an open primary state.
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First of all I expect Paul to do well in SC. Know why junior? Because they allow independents to vote in their primaries. But did you notice that while Paul attacks Gingrich, Santorum and Perry he’s not had too many nasty things to say about Mitt Romney - Do you know why that is junior?

Think about that one and get back to me with an intelligent answer.

Because he thinks he’ll be the Anti-Romney. Then, he hopes to capture enough despondent conservatives, along with his libertarians, moderates, independents, and anti-war folk of all stripes, to win it.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
First thing you need to do is actually get a job before I take you seriously. Get off the government dole and then we can talk politics. Until then who cares what you have to say?
Not me.[/quote]

My good sir, I work in the banking industry. I really don’t care if you take me seriously.