Ron Paul Revolution

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

Here is where you fail. Use the “wars” in our life times, rather than the past.

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Ah, I thought we were supposed to do it the ‘old fashioned way’ like the founding fathers? No? Okay; Kosovo, Somalia, First Gulf War, Lebanese Civil War, Grenada, Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Korea etc etc - no Congressional declaration.

Ah, no it does not, never has and never will require a declaration.

Yes they are.

Wrong. National security.

Founding fathers.

Congress.

Al-Qaeda and their sponsor states. Al-Qaeda central is based in Pakistan. Al-Qaeda in the land of the two rivers; Iraq. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian peninsular; Yemen.

Don’t use the Constitution to make a case about whether something is constitutional or not?

Did you read the federalist and anti-federalist papers? Do you know anything about constitutional law? So far all you have done is post links to the constitution.

You mean the Newsletters timeline? That he said he did write them, defended the contents and even cited a study to back them up in 1996. That he then claimed he didn’t write them or even know about the contents in 2001. Now he says he did write and edit most of them and he claims there are only 8-10 sentences of concern. What you can take from that is that he is a liar and that he was very familiar with the contents of the letters - ‘his babies’ as Dondero said.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

…In other words, if all else fails he can declare them to be terrorists and detain them indefinitely. Or bomb the shit out of their buildings, they should get the message, he would get his way and all in all he would not only be A WAR TIME PRESIDENT, but also the most efficient reformator since Atilla the Hun.

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Stop masturbating in PWI.[/quote]

Is masturbating in a blowjob barn considered to be bad form?

I yield to your judgment Sir. [/quote]

No masturbation the only orgasms are to be sanctioned by the moral majority or equivalent

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

Why were we attacked and by whom?[/quote]

Raymond Ibrahim:

I primarily wrote The Al Qaeda Reader (AQR) to demonstrate the organization’s doubletalk. After the strikes of 9/11, al-Qaeda’s messages to the West began to be translated and disseminated in the media; and their theme was one that al-Qaeda’s terrorism was in retaliation to any number of Western crimes. Then, back in 2005 when I was working at the Library of Congress, I came across unknown Arabic texts written by bin Laden and al-Zawahiri that articulated their violence and terrorism purely within a jihadist paradigm; the temporal and emotive language directed at the West, when re-directed at fellow Muslims, was discarded for the eternal and immutable language of Islam.

For example, for all of al-Qaeda’s talk that Israel is the heart of the problem, bin Laden exposed his true position when he wrote to fellow Arabic-speaking Muslims not long after the 9/11 strikes the following:

Our talks with the infidel West and our conflict with them ultimately revolve around one issue - one that demands our total support, with power and determination, with one voice - and it is: Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: [1] either willing submission [conversion]; or [2] payment of the jizya, through physical, though not spiritual, submission to the authority of Islam; or [3] the sword for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live. The matter is summed up for every person alive: Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die. (AQR, p. 42)

As you can see, this view, which is well codified in Sharia, is the ultimate source of conflict not political, temporal grievances.

Too difficult for you to face eh? I understand. They only hate us because we “meddle” - keep telling yourself that.

Whoa, you sure did teach me that you can copy and paste an argument for only your side. Damn I might think you could be right if maybe, you went to say the CIA or similar for your source. The CIA is going to have far more resources than any Middle East specialist, more than a poster on a board called the “Middle East Forum” and even if you rolled all of those resources together in Raymond Ibrahim. The CIA may know just a little bit more resources. That is just my opinion. Please copy an article where you say some other person knows more than the CIA.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Raymond Ibrahim:

I primarily wrote The Al Qaeda Reader (AQR) . . . . a copied articled from gasp an internet board! . . . . As you can see, this view, which is well codified in Sharia, is the ultimate source of conflict not political, temporal grievances. [/quote]

Far from the image you are trying to paint. But if you sleep better at night thinking otherwise, please continue.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Whoa, you sure did teach me that you can copy and paste an argument for only your side. Damn I might think you could be right if maybe, you went to say the CIA or similar for your source. The CIA is going to have far more resources than any Middle East specialist, more than a poster on a board called the “Middle East Forum” and even if you rolled all of those resources together in Raymond Ibrahim. The CIA may know just a little bit more resources. That is just my opinion. Please copy an article where you say some other person knows more than the CIA.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Raymond Ibrahim:

I primarily wrote The Al Qaeda Reader (AQR) . . . . a copied articled from gasp an internet board! . . . . As you can see, this view, which is well codified in Sharia, is the ultimate source of conflict not political, temporal grievances. [/quote]

Far from the image you are trying to paint. But if you sleep better at night thinking otherwise, please continue.

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  1. It’s not an internet forum it’s a think tank.

  2. Ibrahim was born in the United States to Egyptian Coptic immigrants. He is fluent in Arabic and English. Ibrahim did his Masters at California State University. Ibrahim also took graduate courses at Georgetown University’s Center of Contemporary Arab Studies and is studying toward a PhD in medieval Islamic history at Catholic University.

Ibrahim was previously an Arab language specialist for the Near East section of the Library of Congress, and the associate director of the Middle East Forum.

  1. Ibrahim publishes articles for the CIA in Jane’s Intelligence Review/Jane’s Islamic Affairs.

I’ve really tried to be patient with you but you’re just deliberately obfuscating. Your statements indicate that you have no regard for the Constitution and that you are happy to misrepresent it in furtherance of your anti-American agenda.

Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri:

‘Jihad in the path of Allah is greater than any individual or organization. It is a struggle between Truth and Falsehood, until Allah Almighty inherits the earth and those who live in it. Mullah Muhammad Omar; and Sheikh Osama bin Laden may Allah protect them from all evil, are merely two soldiers of Islam in the journey of jihad, while the struggle between Truth [Islam] and Falsehood [non-Islam] transcends time.’

After this, I am done teaching you about the country that we both live in. The internet is obviously readily available to you and I refuse to spoon feed you information, more than I already have. Let us continue . . . .

The episodes of Kosovo and Somalia are termed conflicts. The “First Gulf War” was actually called “Operation Desert Storm” but thanks to your information gathering from the internet, you believe it to be a “War.” shakes head

Still waiting for you to provide an example of a “war” without the backing of Congress.

Still waiting . . . .

There is NO LITERAL PROOF of any threat, just an overactive ‘war machine!’

You are simply making claims with no evidence to back your stance, hence why I refuse to continually spoon feed you, repeating myself over and over.

Al-Qaeda is just NOT just in a single country like Afghanistan or even Pakistan. Hence the problems our country faces with Europe and Australia in eradicating them.

You have yet to even make a solid stance to argue a fluid case, especially in regards to the Constitution. Please read the document yourself. You can use the link I provided or find your own. After that you can actually make sense of arguing your case. However you will have nothing to say because you will understand the Founding Fathers and their intentions. Hence my providing links to the document.

You are trying to make it sound like YOU have read and understand the Constitution. That is RICH! Jaa jaa jaa

You have are making claims that even you have to reach for. I could care less about your opinion on a ‘newsletter timeline’ because your argument is far from clear and concise. You are someone who needs to understand the world doesn’t revolve around you, I could care less about what your mommy told you on your eighteenth birthday.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
After this, I am done teaching you about the country that we both live in.
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No, you live in the United States - I don’t.

All wars are conflicts but not all conflicts are wars.

EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

EVERY war with the exception of the War of 1812, Mexican-American, Spanish-American and the World Wars were undeclared. Stop wasting people’s time.

See above.

Wouldn’t that all depend on what you believe consitutes ‘literal proof?’

EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

Have you been to Europe and Australia? Have you lived there? EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

Not only have I but half a dozen other posters here have also.

You don’t understand do you? I really have read it. I don’t just tell other people to read it and post a link to it. It’s time to drop the bluff.

EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

I didn’t give an opinion. I just provided a timeline of the known facts.

That’s because there is no argument. I merely provided a timeline of the known facts. Did not express any opinion on them.

EDITED: If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all.

pulled from www.politifact.com

Adam Kokesh admits to being a ‘paid Russian agent’ - Putin used Kokesh’s show to illegally raise funds for Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign.

Alex Jones, disinformation agent; agent provocateur; traitor and Ron Paul campaigner.

This is fun, I want to do that do!

“Ron Paul is vilified for missing a few paragraphs out of hundreds of newsletters by people who pass 2,000-page bills without reading a single word.” ? Hosanna Myers

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This thread is as nuts as the conspiracy threads that floated around here in 2008

The best part is very few even live in America! Jaa jaa jaa

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
This thread is as nuts as the conspiracy threads that floated around here in 2008[/quote]

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