Latest Iowa poll results from the American Research Group:
http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/iarep8-715.html
Ron Paul currently stands at 10%–a significant increase from only last week–while Huckabee, leading the pack, stands at 23%. It appears, as Mr. Zogby is predicting, Dr. Paul will surprise in the primaries.
While on the discussion of foreign policy, and to avoid any further separate threads regarding Ron Paul the following article will be presented here. It’s quite interesting.
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
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David Beito Ph.D. is a member of the Liberty and Power Group Blog at the History News Network and Scott Horton is Assistant Editor at Antiwar.com.
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Do you expect insightful, unbiased analysis from them? Sorry to bust your balls but the by-line makes me laugh.
I think Paul is wrong about Pakistan. Look at what our hands off approach did to Afghanistan. It allowed extremists to take over and launch an attack against us.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
cloakmanor wrote:
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David Beito Ph.D. is a member of the Liberty and Power Group Blog at the History News Network and Scott Horton is Assistant Editor at Antiwar.com.
Do you expect insightful, unbiased analysis from them? Sorry to bust your balls but the by-line makes me laugh.
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One could also dismiss the arguments by television networks by making a similar statement. To many, individuals such as Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly are similarly “laughable.” In my opinion, one could likely expect little unbiased material from such individuals as well. The current administration (as is true with probably of most past administrations, regardless of party affiliation) lacks integrity as well as honesty.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I think Paul is wrong about Pakistan. Look at what our hands off approach did to Afghanistan. It allowed extremists to take over and launch an attack against us.
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The initial US interventionism in Afghanistan during the 1980s initially enabled Al-Qaeda and related affiliates to become forces to be reckoned with. In fact the CIA trained and supplied the Bin Laden’s forces during the war against the former Soviet Union. The subsequent installation of US military bases on Saudi Arabian territory provided the original inspiration for retributive attacks upon the US.
The continued bombing in Iraq during the Clinton administration was also cited, as well as the complete support of the Israeli government’s policies.
[quote]cloakmanor wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
cloakmanor wrote:
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David Beito Ph.D. is a member of the Liberty and Power Group Blog at the History News Network and Scott Horton is Assistant Editor at Antiwar.com.
Do you expect insightful, unbiased analysis from them? Sorry to bust your balls but the by-line makes me laugh.
One could also dismiss the arguments by television networks by making a similar statement. To many, individuals such as Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly are similarly “laughable.” …
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Because it often can be laughable.
They sure have a lot of excuses don’t they?
If the Soviet Union continued to dominate Afghanistan and Iraq dominated the Arabian peninsula do you think the world would be a better place?
Would radical Islam be setting off bombs in our cities because we were buying oil from Saddam and thus working with him?
Since radical Islam is murdering people all over the world based on the flimsiest excuses I don’t think the best bet is giving them what they want.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
They sure have a lot of excuses don’t they?
If the Soviet Union continued to dominate Afghanistan and Iraq dominated the Arabian peninsula do you think the world would be a better place?[/quote]
It’s not about “the world”, it’s about the UNITED STATES. The US government is supposed to pursue policies that make THIS COUNTRY, not the entire world, a “better place”. Would the US be a better place today if it’s government hadn’t meddled in the Middle East for 50 years? YOU BET!
You should pick a side and stay there.
Sometimes you come across as as a liberal internationalist.
Not surprising, coming from a neocon, but very telling.
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
see how the world votes for the next US president
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
see how the world votes for the next US president[/quote]
Darn! You know something is wrong when Ron Paul comes up largely on top in countries where, supposedly, people want US bases and/or money (Germany, Japan, Poland, Czech Republic, Israel, Egypt…)
This is very illustrative of the rift between “the will of the people” and “the coerced/bribed governments”.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
see how the world votes for the next US president[/quote]
Why the hell should I care who the world would vote for? Hell, how about we just let the UN pick our president then.
mike
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
see how the world votes for the next US president[/quote]
My guess is the would vote for the candidate that weakens the US the most.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
how about we just let the UN pick our president then.
mike[/quote]
heh you’re not too far off from who really appoints the president.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/
see how the world votes for the next US president
Why the hell should I care who the world would vote for? Hell, how about we just let the UN pick our president then.
mike[/quote]
Who gives a SHIAT what you care for ?
You go out in life with BLINDERS on, buddy.
Our exchanges on this forum have established this fact for certain.
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2008/01/message-from-ro.html
January 10, 2008
Message from Ron: Onward!
Did you see that funny YouTube where Mike Huckabee’s young Iowa spokesman endorsed me, “by mistake”? We know what was in his mind! Indeed, I am amazed at the friendliness of the supporters of other candidates. Many Obama voters, for example, in Iowa and New Hampshire are reading our literature, and studying our ideas. It’s just one of the reasons I am so optimistic about what we are doing, and where we are heading. And so were the 500 or 600 people at our New Hampshire rally after the primary. I talked to everyone there, and they are rightly enthusiastic about our movement.
This does not mean we will have an easy time of it – just the opposite, of course. After all, we are seeking to reverse more than a century of big government, of the warfare-welfare state, of Federal Reserve’s dollar manipulation, of a fat and happy military-industrial complex, of the subversion of our Constitution. So all the media and other “second-hand dealers in ideas,” as F.A. Hayek called them, who have a vested interest in the current order, will do everything possible to smear me. They will do and say anything to try to block our movement. Even vote fraud is not beyond these people.
And we have been successful. This movement has always operated on two tracks – intellectual and political, and must. The first and most important is the intellectual. Such heroes of freedom as Ludwig von Mises, Hayek, Henry Hazlitt, Murray Rothbard, and so many others like Rose Wilder Lane, John T. Flynn, Isabel Patterson, and Garret Garrett, have helped build the foundations of freedom, prosperity, and peace. We carry on their work, to change hearts and minds.
The other track is political. Here too, we have touched millions with our ideas, and recruited many, many thousands – not only in Meetup Groups and as voters, but as sympathizers and future voters too. Walter Block was kind enough to call this effort the most important in the long history of libertarianism. I don’t know about that, but I do know that even if we place a solid fourth, rather than the higher place we all want and are working so hard for, that is huge progress.
But we can never forget that this is a long struggle. Many great men and women have lived and died in this cause. I have been deeply involved in it all my life. It is a matter of educational work, and elections. We may not accomplish all we want, in one or even two elections. But we will accomplish it. Young people now living will see the free society that you and I dream of, as their everyday reality, an America at peace, prosperous and free, with the federal government chained down by the Constitution, as Jefferson said.
Does this mean our campaign has done everything right? No! We have made mistakes, and will make them again. Not only because errors are to be found in any human endeavor, but because an effort like this, to repeal a hundred years and more of evil, is brand-new on the face of the earth. But now is the time to stick together like the brothers and sisters we are, to stand side by side in this fight against the media toadies, warmongers, and Wall Street rip-off artists who stand against us, and who always remind me of Tolkein’s Orcs.
If you have suggestions for me to do better, I want to hear them. But beating back the enemy, teaching so many young people and others about liberty, that is our victory, and it is real and permanent. Won’t you link arms with me? We will have more vote victories too, if we stick together and do not let the enemy divide us.
As you know, and as our neocon enemies try to cover up, we are in a financial crisis. It may chug along at this pace, slowly into recession, or it might drop off a cliff, like the dollar. In that case, we will have the only coherent solution, and we must get our message out.
All my life, I’ve been working to make sure that when the Fed had done its work, and the special interests had looted the system to their hearts’ content, and there was a crisis, I would be in a position to speak the truth about why, and what to do about it. In this fight, I need your heart, your mind, your time, and your financial support. I also need you to become a precinct leader https://voters.ronpaul2008.com/grassroots/ . What a fight we are in. What stakes there are. Together, we can build a new America faithful to the values of the framers. Bother the enemy, help the good cause: make your most generous contribution https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/, and let’s roll up our sleeves and get to work, together.
Sincerely,
Ron
So, is Ron Paul president yet or what?
[quote]vroom wrote:
So, is Ron Paul president yet or what?[/quote]
I heard he was going to start running for PM of Canada. Just a rumor though, don’t get excited yet.
Ron Paul is the truth. He is the last true Republican and the single greatest politician to have held office in any branch of the federal government in the last 100+ years. Zap and the other scoffers are foolish, dogmatic conventionalists who are thoroughly mindfucked by the status quo. Paul never had a chance, but he woke up thousands of people and rekindled the freedom movement, a movement which I believe will grow and eventually take hold. If nothing else, people can prepare for the impending financial catastophe.
[quote]vroom wrote:
So, is Ron Paul president yet or what?[/quote]
Ahh, there you are vroom. I just came back to the forums to see all the fun of this years election cycle. I seem to recall you having a flair for US politics.
Good to see familiar text. Now, what happened to JeffR?
All, excuse me while I reminisce about the 2004 election cycle. We had some heated debates.
Take care,
J